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Pauld
07-14-2007, 09:14 PM
so i install Carbon, and i see the icon on my desktop, but when i click it, i can hear my computer get louder as if its loading, the little picture of the 2 cars pops up, goes away, then nothing. can some one please help me? :confused:

Pauld
07-14-2007, 10:06 PM
hello some one please.
pc specs are: pentium D 2.8ghz, on board video, for some reason, it cant find a sound driver or device, but that was never an issue before.1g of ram, and enough room on the hard drive to install about 20 more copies of Carbon.

ricersHA
07-14-2007, 10:10 PM
does the computer reset after the splash screen?

Pauld
07-14-2007, 10:17 PM
no reset, i just goes back to my background with all the desktop stuff on, like wen you log in to your background.

momaka
07-15-2007, 12:15 AM
pc specs are: pentium D 2.8ghz, on board video, for some reason, it cant find a sound driver or device, but that was never an issue before...
Damit, why do people always try to play games with onboard video cards. It just doesn't work . Buy a PCIe or AGP card (whichever your motherboard supports), and all your problems will go away. Even if you say Carbon worked before, there's still no reason not to get a video card. Onboard video:
1: Slows you system by sharing memory
2: Uses DirectX 7 technology most of the time which is so 1999.
3: Runs games like shit
Again, check what extension slots you have free (either PCIe or AGP), then come back here and RM or I will most likely recommend you some video card for your system ;) .

Pauld
07-15-2007, 08:05 AM
So would you recommend geting like a nVidida Geforce 7600 with 256mb for like 50$?

Pauld
07-15-2007, 10:50 AM
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3101642&CatId=1560

any good?

momaka
07-15-2007, 11:41 AM
Well that's not a bad card, but if have even a little more money to spend, you might as well go for one of the GeForce 8xxx series.

Here's a begginer card for the same money as the x1050 - GeForce 8500 GT:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3048554&CatId=1558
Difference is that it's directx10 compatible, and altough future Dx10 games won't run supper fast, they should still be ok. Older games like Carbon should run good tough.

Here's a better card --- 8600 GT XXX
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3048552&CatId=1558
This card is a good begginers card as well and it isn't that expensive. Directx 10 compatible, and if in the future you decide to upgrade, you can just buy another one and run it in SLI, which should give you good performance on directx 10 games.

Going up a bit, there's the 8800 GTS for $300. Again, not the most expensive card out there, but should run most of today's games on max settings and future directx10 games well:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2900230&CatId=1558

Of course it depends on how hard core of a gamer you are. If you really play a lot of games, you should consider the cards above, but if you just want to play Carbon and older games and NFSs, you should be ok with a 7600 or even a 6800. So pick a video card accordingly.

Arcade
07-15-2007, 12:32 PM
Don't buy ati, ain't good enough, if you really wanna feel the realism.

Pauld
07-15-2007, 07:56 PM
i'm not a crazy gamer. but i just want to buy like a near 100$ CAD video card cuz next year my sis is taking th pc i have now with her to university, so i'm probably gunna have to build up my own, so i'll already have a case and video card.

Pauld
07-15-2007, 08:00 PM
or i might buy a ready built pc from tiger direct, and just upgrade to a non-onboard video card, and add memory to it.

momaka
07-15-2007, 10:14 PM
Well, whatever suit you best then. For CAD, the nVidia Quadro are good video cards. ATI's FireGL are CAD cards as well...

By the way, once you login the forum, use the "Edit" button so you don't double post like you did above a few times (it saves server space if you use "Edit"). The "Edit" button should appear at the lower right corner of each of your posts. Use it.

Pauld
07-16-2007, 05:41 AM
i mean CAD as prices, cuz i'm from Canada.

momaka
07-16-2007, 12:50 PM
Oh haha. I though you're talking about some CAD program :P . My bad.

Pauld
07-16-2007, 09:28 PM
would an integrated nVidia 6100 work or not?

momaka
07-16-2007, 10:48 PM
Might work, might not, (most likely will) but I'm not a fan of integrated graphics. They are just not proper for games. Even the cheapest video cards can do better than intergrated graphics. Again, intergrated graphics use your system's memory and this dramatically reduces perfomace.
Ok this is $30, and even this will be better than any inegrated solution:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2884782&CatId=1558

And here's the uber economy for DirectX10 card @ $65 USD:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3190698&CatId=1558

Pauld
07-17-2007, 02:01 PM
yeah i might get the 8400gs today, depends if my mom has the will to go to Tiger Direct. the reason i say that is cuz its in a really busy area.

also i read somewhere else that an 8600 is the equivalent to a 7900. is that true?

Arcade
07-17-2007, 02:27 PM
It differs, if they are nvidia or ati, they are usually good, especially on laptops, i refer to be good enough to start a game, or to set it at medium setting.

Pauld
07-17-2007, 05:09 PM
yeah i'm going to tiger direct tomorrow, cuz theres a huge accident on the highway that goes there, and my mom has to return something there anyways.

EDIT:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2231768

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3190698&CatId=1560

which of those should i get. the second is the 8400 mentioned earlier, and the first one is a 7300GT with 512mb DDR2. wat do you recommend?
and is there a cable that comes with the video card to i guess power it, or does it wokr like a basic network card.

momaka
07-17-2007, 08:26 PM
Well, here's a usefull chart to compare video cards. It doesn't have the GeForce 8600, 8500, and 8400 series, but it shows you where most of the other video cards stand...
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=718&model2=722&chart=318
From the chart, the 6600 GT I showed you in my earlier post is not only cheaper, but it also outperforms the 7300 GT on most games. That's because the 6600 GT has higher memory and core clock speeds. So it's not only the amount of memory that matters, but also for the clock speed and the memory bandwith. Another note: the 7300 GT, 6600 GT OC, and the 8400 GS are all video cards that do not require external power cords (mainly because they aren't that powerful). Nonetheless, check your power supply, see how many Watts it is and what brand it is because you don't want to buy a video card that requires more power than what your power supply may be able to handle, cause that can cause it to burn and maybe kill your whole system...

So far I can see you're willing to spend around $80 CAD for the 7300 GT, but I have a different suggestion. Buy (2) 6600 GT cards and run them in SLI mode (that's of course only if you have 2 free PCIe slots). They will yeld a much better performance.
Again here's the 6600 GT OC link:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2884782&CatId=1558
If you have 2 PCIe slots, buy two of them and run in SLI.

Or if you don't have 2 PCIe slots, but you still want a better card for the money of the 7300 GT, get the 6800 GS. Here's the link:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2183362&CatId=1558
It's extra $10, but you get twice the performance of the 7300 GT. Do note that the 6800 GS requires power from you PSU. Cables are usually provided with the cards, but again, check how many watt's your PSU is.

With that said, here's how the cards stand... The 6600 GT slighy outperforms the 7300 GT, but two 6600 GTs in SLI get almsot 2 times the score of a single 7300 GT, and a single 6800 GS slighly outperforms two 6600 GTs in SLI.
I hope this clears things a bit ;) . Again, make your choice of video cards accordingly...

Maybe I should've asked RM to explain this, he does a much better job.

Pauld
07-17-2007, 08:37 PM
good enough for me. so would you recommend the 6800gs or the 8400gs? i try to understand wat you tell, but am not fully sure.

and i knwo i'm probably getting annoying with all this. but i took what you said. final decision. you guys help me decide.
1. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3101642
2. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2844044

i'm gunna listen to wat you guys have to say cuz u guys are pros. let the battle begin.

oh and i put the ATI in there cuz people say its really good. many people i know have it.

momaka
07-17-2007, 11:17 PM
Ok you cannot buy a video card without at least checking out your power supply wattage rating. To do that, open you PC and look on one of the sides of your power supply for a label that shows the total output in watts.

If I were you, I'd buy the 6800 GS video card. Do note that your power supply will need to provide at least 350 Watts or more. Also, the 6800 GS requires a connection to your power supply via a 6-pin connector.

If your power supply is not 350 watts, but is rather somewhere around 300 to 340 watts, go for the 6600 GT OC as that is the next best card. That video card only requires 300 Watts of power, but unlike the 6800 GS, it does not require the 6-pin connector or any other type of connection from your power supply.

The Visiontek Radeon x1050 you showed me above also requires a 300 watt power supply minimum.

The Biostar 7300 LE you showed above is a low profile video card and is not good for gaming. Probably not the best choice for a gaming card, not even for a low end gaming card.

Again, check your power supply before you go buy a video card, because if your power supply is incapable or delivering enough power to you video card, you might get anything from system crashes to a burned power supply and/or even kill your whole system. Also, check how many PCI Express slots you have avaliable on your motherboard.
So once you check these two things, come back here and post what you have. That way I can tell you more accurately which video card to get.

ricersHA
07-17-2007, 11:37 PM
x1300 goes around 120 dollars these days

Pauld
07-18-2007, 09:53 AM
i believe its 350, but let me double check that right now

ah damn it its 300W max.

Pauld
07-18-2007, 10:43 AM
the Sparkle and PNY Geforce 7300 GT, says that for SLI it need 12V,20A. i dont plan on running that, but my pc has 12V,19A. and for the XFX 8400 GS it says it need 12V, 20A. is that necessary for it to run? so i was going over my $600 build list, and was wondering, whats better, a 7900 GS KO, or a 8600GT?

Pauld
07-18-2007, 07:44 PM
so i went today, but my mom said i cant buy anything expensive b/c i'm going to poland on tuesday. but, there was a 7600GT for 120$. i wanted to know if a Geforce FX5500 is any good. it was like 70$.

momaka
07-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Well with 300 watts, the 7300 GT should get enough power. The 6600 GT OC which is a better card might also run, but I'm a bit skeptical about it, and just to play it safe, go with the 7300 GT.

So if you want to go for the 7300 GT, that seems fine. You're buying one card so don't worry about the SLI requirements. SLI requirements are only if you install two of them in your computer.
The FX5500 you mentioned earlier is a really old video card, and it's Shader Model 2, and that's a much older technology than Shader Model 3 which is what the GeForce 6xxx and above series are working with (the 8xxx series are using Shader Model 4). Again go for the 7300 GT.

As for your $600 budget which I assume is to build the whole computer and not just for the video card -- get the 8600 GT. In the future, you can buy another one and run in SLI, and that will give you a good enough performance in DirectX10 games.

Pauld
07-18-2007, 09:00 PM
my dad is considering buying me a dell, and the one i configured has a 8600GT, 256 mb ddr-3.

Zpectre
07-18-2007, 09:11 PM
so i went today, but my mom said i cant buy anything expensive b/c i'm going to poland on tuesday. but, there was a 7600GT for 120$. i wanted to know if a Geforce FX5500 is any good. it was like 70$.

Avoid like the plague, it runs the newer NFS games really slow and you can forget antialiasing. The FX5500 is actually just a FX5200 (basic model of the FX series) with more memory. The FX chipsets are old (from 3-4 years ago I think) and completely outclassed by anything available in the market today. Why do I know this? Because it's the card I have. :bigcry:

For NFSMW and NFSC you need at least a 6600GT for good graphics. The 7600GT is a good card but the hotter models of the 7 series are the 7800s.

Pauld
07-18-2007, 09:23 PM
alright thank you for that.