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hondaman
11-13-2007, 09:41 AM
The car that no one suspects...

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(Some things have changed since that video)

Stock, this car came fully loaded with a 205 horsepower 3.8L V6, Gran Touring Suspension, and the performance 3.06 axle ratio which allowed it to propel itself to sixty miles per hour in 7.9 seconds.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2466000-2466999/2466907_19_full.jpg

One year later, the car now has a fenderwell cold air intake system with ram air cooling, 180* thermostat, MagnaFlow high flow catalytic converter, Flowmaster 80 Series dual exhaust system, port and polish, and an upgraded PCM delivering an estimated 230+ horsepower and enabling a zero to sixty time of less than seven seconds. All the while still appearing innocent on the surface.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4356/dsc00016aq3.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9137/dsc00020am4.jpg

Beneath the surface...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8480/s6300689lg0.jpg

Comfort will not be sacrificed.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9062/picture1345ws7.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2610/picture1346bm3.jpg

Other modifications include Buick portholes, and painted valve covers and strut tower brace.

Recently, the Buick has become a fixture at a local car show.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/171/s6300716rq5.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9386/s6300719df7.jpg

Recent acceleration video:

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Future plans include supercharging, camshaft, upgraded pulley for supercharger, etc. I expect to be putting out well over 300 horsepower by the time I am done, if not over 350.

More to come later...
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Rally Master
11-13-2007, 10:54 AM
I see Hondaman has changed his sigpic to include his vehicle!

Rich P
11-13-2007, 12:40 PM
damn, everytime i see that beaut i get the feeling that i would kill to rid shotgun!

on a sidenote, why are people making seperate topics about their cars? i should do that when i get my new truck!

hondaman
11-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Thanks Rich :)

Oh, and this is a new forum to take the place of the "Member's Car Corner" thread, since it was becoming chaotic.

Please excuse my abysmally dirty car in the following pictures, due to the water shortage in the Southeastern US I only wash my car if it's about to go to a car show.

Something new, nothing big but I like it:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/194/s6300898dh9.jpg

Note the area under the portholes...chrome V6 badges.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5052/s6300897ko4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2308/s6300895qv1.jpg

I have been asked more than once what type of engine is in there...and now, they know. Although at idle it could easily be mistaken for having an extra two cylinders.
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theo
11-17-2007, 12:31 AM
so you really do drive a buick... and i thought it was a joke...

MSFT
11-17-2007, 12:37 AM
so you really do drive a buick... and i thought it was a joke...
And what type of car do you drive? Oh, pardon me, you're most likely too stupid and young to be able to drive. Or think. In fact, you should really shut the **** up.

I find it quite disrespectful that you would say such a thing. Hondaman has performed many a change to this car and it has become quite a beauty.

You're lucky the staff doesn't think like I do, or else your *** would be banned.

Vanexroxics
11-17-2007, 12:43 AM
OMG....I love it Dan!

The engine looks awesome. ;) And those Chrome Badges are teh own.

Canada_Kid
11-17-2007, 12:46 AM
The Buick is beautiful! Good work Dan, the car looks great.

theo
11-17-2007, 12:48 AM
@MSFT- i wasnt trying to show disrespect to hondaman whatsoever and i apologize if thats what i portrayed. as a matter of fact, i do drive crap. i was simply pointing out the fact that his name is hondaman and he drives a buick, not that buicks make horrible cars or hondas make horrible cars or anything. ever heard of a 92 suzuki sidekick? yea so nothing personal. apologies to anyone else

MSFT
11-17-2007, 12:51 AM
@MSFT- i wasnt trying to show disrespect to hondaman whatsoever and i apologize if thats what i portrayed. as a matter of fact, i do drive crap. i was simply pointing out the fact that his name is hondaman and he drives a buick, not that buicks make horrible cars or hondas make horrible cars or anything. ever heard of a 92 suzuki sidekick? yea so nothing personal. apologies to anyone else

I do send my sincerest apologies your way, then. Perhaps, as a word of advice, it would be wise for you to be more specific when stating such things :)

hondaman
11-17-2007, 12:59 AM
Thanks guys. :) And I'm glad we got that bit sorted out...I was a bit uncertain to begin with myself.

Anyway, full detail coming tomorrow, so that means new pics. :)
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hondaman
11-18-2007, 10:26 AM
Pics after full inside and out detaling:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5576/s6300924sw8.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3522/s6300927gc4.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5844/s6300930gx0.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1730/s6300931sr9.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7074/s6300932co1.jpg
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Rally Master
11-18-2007, 04:31 PM
Now what if that Buick were RWD and had a manual...

Killua
11-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Dan, I love your Buick, it looks beautiful and you have taken care of it pretty well since you bought it (In fact, every car I have seen from yours is always in a perfect condition).

Now what if that Buick were RWD and had a manual...
But that's the only thing I don't like about your LeSabre... it's a FWD.

hondaman
11-20-2007, 10:35 AM
Thanks guys. :)

I've found over the years though, that FWD isn't all that bad. Especially if, like I am, you are more concerned with straight line power than cornering. Although this car can handle surprisingly well with the Gran Touring suspension. I have surprised a number of people with it.
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Synthecide
11-20-2007, 07:10 PM
Nice car man, I love the exhaust sound.

If you supercharge this beast it will own all (Y).

hondaman
12-01-2007, 04:56 PM
Nice car man, I love the exhaust sound.

If you supercharge this beast it will own all (Y).

Thanks man. :)

I can't wait until it's supercharged. I plan on buying the motor and adding parts such as an aftermarket camshaft, ported and polished supercharger, etc. and then swapping the motor out.

Here's some pics of the interior which I detailed today, in preparation for the upcoming car show next Saturday:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6093/s6300955rc0.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3408/s6300956yc9.jpg

That backdrop you see in the windows is the car cover, Grandma's Revenge spends much of it's time like this:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9783/s6300959pp1.jpg

Generally, I only uncover it when I feel like cruising a bit. Otherwise I leave it covered to keep leaves, sap, and other unwanted crap off my paint. This also protects the interior, paint, and trim from UV rays.

Both of my babies:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3581/s6300960hb2.jpg
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Synthecide
12-01-2007, 06:03 PM
Wow looks good man...can't wait to hear it supercharged...you'll get some nice power figures outta that.

Are you planning on buying a stock 3.8L supercharger or aftermarket?

hondaman
12-02-2007, 03:02 PM
Wow looks good man...can't wait to hear it supercharged...you'll get some nice power figures outta that.

Are you planning on buying a stock 3.8L supercharger or aftermarket?

Thanks. :)

And yeah, I'm going to see if I can find a suitable new or barely used L67 (3800 supercharged) motor. I'll have to find some where to get it dropped off and pick it up, and I'll haul it back in the truck to keep covered in my garage for storage. Then I'll put parts on like the ported and polished supercharger, aftermarket camshaft, better throttle body, etc. Put it in the engine and hook it up to my current exhaust system and intake setup, throw in an aftermarket PCM, get it tuned properly and I'm done. :) Should put out at least 300 horsepower, but I anticipate closer to 330. This would give me a power to weight ratio of about 10 lb/hp.

More pics, went ahead and detailed the engine today:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9575/s6300962ik2.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1755/s6300965zk1.jpg
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fd2black
12-03-2007, 09:23 PM
your car makes me jealous dude
i could never afford any of that stuff that you are putting into that. at all. i can barely afford a good sound system for my car let alone a bunch of engine parts.

Rally Master
12-03-2007, 10:01 PM
Excellent! I do enjoy a clean engine bay....

hondaman
12-05-2007, 03:10 PM
Thanks guys. :) I've been thinking a little more about my future plans for this car...

Take this

http://fastfieros.com/enginesavailable/enginesforsale.htm

Plus this

http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=410&catid=109

And this

http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=150&catid=105

Throw in the camshaft, throttle body, headers, intercooler, and whatever supporting mods are necessary, and I've got a twin-charged Buick LeSabre putting out over 500, if not 600 horsepower.

Just a thought.
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hondaman
12-07-2007, 04:02 PM
Getting ready for the car show tomorrow bit by bit...

Today I started it for the first time in a while to check it's running condition, which was fine. Felt like making a video of it for no reason, it's louder than I remembered ! It's no wonder people don't like me starting it up late at night, once you watch the video you'll see why...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQuzJPyGkcs

Don't mind the "smoke", it's just really freaking cold outside right now.

Anyway, tomorrow I uncover it and wash it up, and I'll post some pics from the car show later on this weekend.
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Killua
12-07-2007, 04:46 PM
Twin-Turbo LeSabre... I like how that sounds, but is still a crazy idea. :D

I'm looking forward for the car show pics, I'm curious to see how many people look at it this time.

Synthecide
12-07-2007, 06:26 PM
A supercharged and turbo'ed 3.8? Awesome lol...I don't know if the stock tranny can handle that though...

Also I've looked into it and it seems that the Series III 3800s has an electronic controlled throttle....where as the Series II had a cable actuated throttle, so if I were you I'd opt for the Series II.....even though it's older it might you save you problems later on with the wiring and such....

But a cool idea nonetheless and I hope you go for it...not too many LeSabres will be like yours :)

hondaman
12-07-2007, 06:47 PM
A supercharged and turbo'ed 3.8? Awesome lol...I don't know if the stock tranny can handle that though...

Also I've looked into it and it seems that the Series III 3800s has an electronic controlled throttle....where as the Series II had a cable actuated throttle, so if I were you I'd opt for the Series II.....even though it's older it might you save you problems later on with the wiring and such....

But a cool idea nonetheless and I hope you go for it...not too many LeSabres will be like yours :)

Haha man, check my links again...4T65E HD tranny swap. No way my stock trans can handle it. :)

And yeah, I'd prefer Series II. It's an easy fit into an H Body. :)
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Imprezzive
12-07-2007, 07:17 PM
600 hp LeSabre? Now that's a sleeper :)

Synthecide
12-07-2007, 07:18 PM
Haha man, check my links again...4T65E HD tranny swap. No way my stock trans can handle it. :)

And yeah, I'd prefer Series II. It's an easy fit into an H Body. :)
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Oh my bad....I just noticed it now...oops lol :P

Bl0cks
12-07-2007, 07:25 PM
I am not a fan of portholes, but at least he put them on a buick... not a continental or crown vic

looks good

hondaman
12-08-2007, 10:15 PM
Thanks guys :)

Car show pics...didn't take so many because it was so dark. But, I got a lot of compliments and a crapload of people came by to see it, and I got to park in the center of the show again. People take a lot of interest in it because of how unique it is, and how much power it has now and will have in the future. It can certainly hold it's own...and will be able to do so even more in the future. The turbo/super otherwise bone stock looking Buick LeSabre is by far the most popular plan. Someone offered me a whole Buick Regal GS with a supercharged Series II 3800 for $600. The engine runs great, but the transmission is iffy and the body is in bad shape. It's driveable though, so we'll see, I can always swap an HD kit into the transmission I have... :O

And I won another prize...

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/61/s6300971gl7.jpg

I finally got that damn tree sap off my hood...looks nice and shiny, like a mirror. :)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1249/s6300977sg0.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1562/s6300978av4.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3839/s6300979zq2.jpg

Tomorrow I plan to take it on a photoshoot because I haven't done so in a long time, so I'll post some pictures up from that tomorrow before I cover it up until next weekend...
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Sinister
12-09-2007, 01:16 AM
so..what was the prize?

excellent work too,
$600 bucks for a possible engine upgrade..tough call eh?

hondaman
12-09-2007, 12:20 PM
They have these door prizes they give out by drawing names of people who registered their cars. I've been lucky enough to win the past two times somehow. This time, I took home a paint care product.

Yeah it is...I don't particularly want to have a junker laying around the yard, then there's the problem of what I'm going to do with what's left of the car when I'm done. I'll have to give it some thought.

Photoshoot today:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6024/s6300980li0.jpg

And yes, I did that off center on purpose...some mail van was to the left.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/613/s6300982tg0.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6300982tg0.jpg)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/74/s6300984vf6.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6300984vf6.jpg)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1536/s6300988or8.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6300988or8.jpg)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2156/s6300989iw9.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6300989iw9.jpg)

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5443/s6300990zp0.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6300990zp0.jpg)
Next car show is on January 12th, 2008.
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Ľale
12-09-2007, 12:24 PM
The interior looks great...do you use Armor All Leather Wipes?

CLR-AMG
12-09-2007, 01:48 PM
Lol the leather reminds me of a celeberity who had too much surgery on her face...


Looks very nice, I wish I had a car and the money to improve it this way. Nice job

Sage
12-09-2007, 02:01 PM
The interior looks super comfortable. This car is proof that Granny cars can be cool :)

hondaman
12-09-2007, 03:14 PM
Thank you all very much for your kind words, I am glad to see my car is getting so much positive feedback :)

The interior looks great...do you use Armor All Leather Wipes?

Nope, I use Black Magic leather cleaner/protectant, which is by far the best leather care product I've found so far. This car has been my test subject, both inside and out, to find what are the absolute best protectants/cleaners that I can get my hands on. The interior is protected by the Black Magic leather care and Black Magic dashboard/trim protectant, while the exterior gets Armor all tire shine gel, Mother's chrome polish/protectant, Meguiar's Deep Crystal "steps 1, 2, and 3" (wash, non abrasive paint cleaner, non abrasive paint polish), Armor All alloy wheel cleaner, and Liquid Glass paint wax/sealant. The engine gets Engine Brite cleaner and Armor all tire shine gel to make it seriously shiny.

Here are a few more parting pictures, I just returned from an interstate run, floored it a couple of times to remove carbon deposits. Given how infrequently I do that I figured it would be a good idea. Car ran from 40-90 mph in second gear very strongly, and was still pulling very hard when I let off at 90 so everything seems good...

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3565/s6300998vt1.jpg

Cooling down after the interstate run...

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9662/s6301001on8.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6301001on8.jpg)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7350/s6301005qf8.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6301005qf8.jpg)

Until next time...
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Dr.DooM
12-10-2007, 03:51 PM
its like the ultimate sleeper Muhahahaha !
from the outside, and the interior, a pretty normal looking car, then under the bonnet, a mean machine with a mean engine to boot.
i like this a lot

Reptillian
12-10-2007, 04:06 PM
Look a normal car, and under the hood, it is very fast. Look out street racer, this car kills in track!

Sinister
12-10-2007, 05:46 PM
wow, EL, way to go for stating the obvious.

RedTwentyFour
12-10-2007, 05:52 PM
thats what they call a sleeper, and this car is a REAL one, its even a buick...in ricer terms it would be like that: car looking stock but having a buick badge = adds 10.000hp

- Rick.

MuscleCarFreak
12-10-2007, 10:58 PM
Absolutely fantastic.

I love how the whole car just looks nice, clean, and eligant.
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As it's pulling away quickly while your reaching for another gear in a panicing state.

One word of advice for you Hondaman....
Whatever you do to that car,
DO NOT replace those rims.
I'm serious

hondaman
12-16-2007, 09:40 PM
Thanks guys, I'm glad to see the "sleeper" image is appreciated. ;)

And MCF, I've given some serious thought about that...I think I'll definitely keep them. Barring someday when I have so much power that larger driving wheels are necessitated, I will keep the stock premium 16" ones. :)

To all at NFSCars, from my family to yours...

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2480/s6301023xj0.jpg
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hondaman
01-11-2008, 06:55 PM
The Buick is out again...

Took it for a night on the town and surprised more than one pedestrian not expecting such a rumble to be coming from grandma's LeSabre.

Car show pictures coming tomorrow.
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Reptillian
01-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Happy holiday hondaman :). Nice to see that the car show pictures is coming tomorrow, I can't wait for them hondaman ;)

Imprezzive
01-11-2008, 09:08 PM
Nice! I love Grandma's Revenge; you put a lot of hard work into it.

hondaman
01-12-2008, 02:01 PM
Thanks guys. ;)

Here's some pre-show pics, pics from the show will come later tonight or tomorrow:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9686/s6301066sp3.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2357/s6301057eh9.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5120/s6301058iq9.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7091/s6301060hw7.jpg
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GM Lover
01-12-2008, 03:24 PM
Hey Dan, how much of a pain is it to get that valve cover off? I want to paint mine cause it looks like absolute shit.

hondaman
01-12-2008, 07:33 PM
Hey Dan, how much of a pain is it to get that valve cover off? I want to paint mine cause it looks like absolute shit.

I can't imagine it being that hard, but then I really can't tell you because I painted both of mine while they were on the engine.

The car show was a success, not as many people as usual because of it being really freaking cold out. Still, quite a few people came by. I've noticed that people tend to look at the engine of Grandma's Revenge for longer than others, probably because it's such a different idea.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5860/s6301068qb3.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7262/s6301071sn6.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2731/s6301072mr4.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3446/s6301075uk6.jpg

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9661/s6301076qo0.jpg
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Vanexroxics
01-12-2008, 08:52 PM
Damn Dan...your car must be popular.

I like the first shot though (not this post, the previous post you made)

GM Lover
01-13-2008, 02:57 PM
Your car always looks great at those car shows Dan, I love those V6 badges too.

Reptillian
01-13-2008, 04:31 PM
Hondaman: Man, that is sweet car. Noone wanna mess with it.

To Dark Ritual: Yes I think it is popular.

Killua
01-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Nice...
I'm wondering, those V6 badges are custom or are from another car?

Civic_Undercover
01-16-2008, 09:30 PM
Those straight pipes sound wicked! The name "Grandma's Revenge" is quite fitting, because who would think granny's car would be a hotrod underneath :) The badging is a nice touch too. If you put the supercharger and stuff in there.... WHOA that thing would fly off the line!

Rich P
01-16-2008, 09:38 PM
my lord id give anything to get my engine bay to look like yours. its spotless. soon if i get my *** in gear for bodyworkon the black truck, ill be showing them off like you do. what did you do to get the engine bay so clean? i could just blow a load looking at that! lol

hondaman
01-18-2008, 09:01 AM
Thanks everyone. ;)

Killua: They are used on the Pontiac G6, but they came in a custom package (not from GM) so...both?

Rich P: I use lots and lots of Engine Brite degreaser and tire shine. The tire shine is for the car shows mostly, just to add that wet look to it.

Grandma's Revenge may be up for a port and polish soon...stay tuned. ;)
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Azrael
01-20-2008, 06:12 AM
i just put a gm roots style blower on one of these for a freind of mine major differance
but beware you need the correct harness and will need to add a boost gauge and regulator
and a major pcm update and beware you will need to run 92 octane or better unless you also put in dished pistons or limit the psi

rod_k2
01-22-2008, 10:38 AM
Dude,I laughed SO hard when I saw that frase above your avatar...It's such a cool contrast!! :P
I wish I could do that...But then i'd be a copycat. :P

Your car looks great! Congratulations for it,and kudos to all the work you have done in it! :)
By the way,I think i'll be watching my back with LeSabre's from now on...Maybe I find a scary one like yours so... :D

I loved your car,but when are you getting a hond-uh? :D
Don't forget about us,y0! :P

hondaman
01-29-2008, 07:42 PM
Thanks rod_k2. :)

Azrael, is that really all that was involved? I was under the impression that a lot more was needed to transform a naturally aspirated 3800 to a supercharged one due to the different engine internals. Either way, a supercharged powerplant is in my future.

I did some digging and found these pictures way back when I first brought the LeSabre home...an interesting contrast of then vs. now:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5316/hpim1048jk9kz6.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1617/s6301060hw7uh2.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7409/hpim1068xd7bh7.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/439/s6300980li0me9.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4835/hpim1070we3po7.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4576/s6300984vf6ic9.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2394/hpim1079zn0ic2.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9968/s6301057eh9ao8.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9950/hpim1078hr9uq5.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4623/s6301058iq9ve4.jpg

As you can tell, most of the changes have been in the places that matter the most.

GM Lover
01-29-2008, 07:57 PM
If you supercharge it, won't you need to a new transmission to go along with it? I know the Park Ave Ultras with the superchargers came with a heavy duty tranny.

FEAR
01-29-2008, 09:15 PM
Those are quite the notable changes. Though just wondering, have you done anything/plan to do anything for the brakes?

hondaman
01-31-2008, 10:46 AM
If you supercharge it, won't you need to a new transmission to go along with it? I know the Park Ave Ultras with the superchargers came with a heavy duty tranny.

Yes and no. The 4T60E currently in my car is capable of handling the added power of the supercharger, but due to it being the original transmission and the likelyhood of future modifications I'm going to either swap for a 4T65E HD or see if I can find an HD kit for the 4T60. I prefer the 4T60 to the 4T65.

Those are quite the notable changes. Though just wondering, have you done anything/plan to do anything for the brakes?

Not really, the stock brakes do a better than average job of stopping the car. 60-0 mph tests put the stock brakes at 128 ft. which is excellent for a car it's size and on par with much smaller, sport-minded cars. Better brakes would only be needed if I planned to do some serious circuit competition, which I don't really see myself doing.

It is due for some new front brake pads soon, and I've been thinking of upgrading the pads to reduce brake dust, though. My wheels get very dirty very quickly.
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Sage
01-31-2008, 11:24 AM
the engine difference is wicked cool. I say Grandma's Revenge should be in the next NFS :)

hondaman
02-06-2008, 06:36 PM
Sage, I would literally shit a brick if that were to ever happen. I might even take up playing NFS again.

Well, car show coming up in a few days, but also the Buick is going on a small trip tomorrow so I had to check it out and get it ready, everything was fine but brace yourself for some picture *****age...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9814/picture1417vu1.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8021/picture1419mr1.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3984/picture1426my6.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3934/picture1429vj5.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4030/picture1437ey2.jpg

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2816/picture1442wq8.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7682/picture1444ez1.jpg
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OHSNAP_GOLD
02-08-2008, 09:13 PM
For some reason it looks very intimidating, I can't quite see why but it is.

Vanexroxics
02-08-2008, 10:49 PM
What's with the Grainy Photo Dan?

Still, it looks great as usual ;)

hondaman
02-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Thank you both. :)

What's with the Grainy Photo Dan?

Still, it looks great as usual ;)

Well it was dark, and I had a choice of having a grainy picture or a blurry one, so I chose grainy. Same for these next car show pictures unfortunately...

Car show turned out well though. I won another door prize and this time, they did do other awards though they didn't give out trophies or anything. I won the "Best Engine in Show" award which doesn't have to do with how powerful the engine is (there were some seriously built drag race engines that would have won that if it were the case) but more on how clean, shiny, and aesthetically pleasing the engine is...

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/168/s6301174nh2.jpg

After they announced I won a bunch of random people came around and started taking pictures of it.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4189/s6301176xp5.jpg

That Camaro next to me won the "Best Restoration" award. It's been restored to factory spec from a rusting shell of a car.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5194/s6301182jk4.jpg

You can't really see it but the yellow thing in the bottom right corner won "Best Truck".
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GM Lover
02-10-2008, 01:07 PM
The color is that Camaro is awesome. I wish I lived in a warmer area so we could have car shows every week. That would be sweet.

Imprezzive
02-10-2008, 01:32 PM
Nice pics, hondaman. You take good care of Grandma's Revenge; keep it up :)

Sage
02-10-2008, 06:32 PM
your car is Uber, hondaman. :)

hondaman
03-05-2008, 05:26 PM
Thanks guys :D

I've been meaning to go photoshooting last weekend, and the weekend before that...but I've been horribly ill and have been unable to do so. :( I'm better now, which is good because I have a car show coming up this weekend...

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7074/s6301299fb9.jpg

Just to show Grandma's Revenge is very much still alive, although alot dirtier than I usually let her get...

Interior is all clean though.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8021/s6301305jm7.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9021/s6301306pg0.jpg

Engine after a month of no cleaning...

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4/s6301304rz9.jpg

And now, all clean and ready for the show:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1149/s6301307ps2.jpg

I plan to get my photoshooting done on Sunday, when the car will be clean and I can hopefully spare some time.
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Ambaldan
03-07-2008, 05:29 AM
Nice car hondaman ;) Pics are really good and you seem to adore your babe lol
I wonder what your honey says about it jealous? You know chicks use to feel replaced by cars sometimes ;)

hondaman
03-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Nice car hondaman ;) Pics are really good and you seem to adore your babe lol
I wonder what your honey says about it jealous? You know chicks use to feel replaced by cars sometimes ;)

Thanks, and nah, she is (or was) okay with it. ;)

Pics in before the carshow:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1626/s6301353zo5.jpg

Limo seats!

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5237/s6301355iy7.jpg

Oddly enough, it's still quite comfortable up front with the seats like this.

Hondaman enjoys the backseats in this arrangement:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3416/s6301359fs4.jpg

Showing how soft the leather is:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7409/s6301350jf7.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/371/s6301351yy9.jpg

I have yet to encounter leather this soft in another car, both in plushness and texture. Even in other Buicks and Cadillacs of the same era, this particular type of leather seems to have been used exclusively in the LeSabre.

More pics from the car show later, as well as a photoshoot tomorrow.
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Imprezzive
03-08-2008, 03:17 PM
That's some soft leather!

Sage
03-08-2008, 03:49 PM
being comfortable is always important; looks like thats not an issue for you! always good to have a soft ride :)

koenigsegg.ccr
03-08-2008, 04:38 PM
You and your Buicks.

hondaman
03-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Thanks Sage and Imprezzive :)

You and your Buicks.

Huh?

Anyway, no car show pictures. Turns out the event staff were busy at an air show that occurred on the same day so it was canceled.

But, I did go on a photoshoot:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9362/s6301360rz1.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2756/s6301366jx7.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8201/s6301367yu6.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3163/s6301369in5.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3194/s6301370kg7.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9838/s6301371fu2.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2167/s6301375sz1.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3730/s6301376zj3.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6703/s6301377ay2.jpg
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Imprezzive
03-10-2008, 11:15 AM
Beautiful pics, Dan :)

Killua
03-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Sick photos, Dan!

You could also try some close-ups of the Buick with some nice background, I'm not sure if you can understand me. :)

Civic_Undercover
03-10-2008, 09:15 PM
Such.... a pristine... CAR!! It looks so pretty in the bright sun.

RedTwentyFour
03-11-2008, 06:28 AM
dan i want that enviroment of your last photoshot's first picture as HDRI :/
and this car is so ... superior...:)

but...golden watch? wtf...

- Rick.

Ambaldan
03-11-2008, 12:06 PM
hey ive got a crazy mood today ;)
Howz going on your area?
Greetings

hondaman
03-18-2008, 11:57 PM
Thanks for the compliments, guys. :)

but...golden watch? wtf...

Yep. It's one of two gold watches left to me by my grandfather. That one has a dead battery now. The other one is purely mechanical, winds itself by arm movements and doesn't require a battery. I retired the one in the picture and am wearing the other now.

Update...

Due to some extreme idiocy from some prior service, I am being forced to replace my power steering pump. They put on a belt that was too small and it wore out my pump's bearings. Of course, they're not going to do anything about my pump, but they did replace the belt. This is why I do all of my own maintenance now. I have the old pump off and am waiting to pick up a new one, so the LeSabre is disabled for now. Not that it's really a problem, the LeSabre is pretty much a weekend only car now anyway.

Updates later as this gets fixed.
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hondaman
03-20-2008, 02:19 PM
I got the itch for more power, so coming soon within the next few weeks is a lower intake manifold port and polish. An extra intake manifold is currently in the process of being ported...

I expect gains of 10 hp and roughly the same amount of torque in lb-ft with this mod. Stock lower intake manifold ports aren't very well matched, this unleashes the potential for much more power.

Updates later.
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GTR
03-20-2008, 04:00 PM
Looks awesome Dan.

just a suggestion, how about painting the front pillars the same color as the car?

hondaman
03-20-2008, 04:59 PM
Looks awesome Dan.

just a suggestion, how about painting the front pillars the same color as the car?

Thanks. :)

That's one thing I find really neat about this car...there are no A-pillars (visible from the outside anyway)

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2466000-2466999/2466907_16_full.jpg

Just wraparound glass with a rubber seal in between.
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Imprezzive
03-20-2008, 06:49 PM
Dan, have you considered a new set of wheels?

I saw a LeSabre today and I got an idea. How about you pick up a set of the gold 16-inch web-spoke Bonneville wheels, and powder coat them black and keep the chrome lip.

I am talking about these wheels:

http://www.lakeshorewheelandtire.com/wheels/6510.JPG

Force-Fed R34
03-20-2008, 08:32 PM
I wunder how this thing'll match up to my Grand Marquis.

Sinister
03-20-2008, 09:49 PM
once you provide pics, it would smoke you off the line..

I always enjoy looking at your car Dan, makes me think of an old granny taking whole shots against poser ricers

Force-Fed R34
03-21-2008, 01:57 PM
SINISTER: Well, probably. Still, My car does have a big ol' Ford V8.

hondaman
03-23-2008, 12:04 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys. :)

Dan, have you considered a new set of wheels?

I saw a LeSabre today and I got an idea. How about you pick up a set of the gold 16-inch web-spoke Bonneville wheels, and powder coat them black and keep the chrome lip.

I am talking about these wheels:

http://www.lakeshorewheelandtire.com/wheels/6510.JPG

I've thought about it, with those very wheels and others too, in fact. I'll have to think about it. I really like the grandma image my current 16" give. :P I do admit though, those wheels blacked out with my silver car would look very nice and sporting.

Anyways, the LeSabre is back up and running. I have thoroughly undone all the damage caused by those idiots. Never again will they lay hands on my car.
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Reptillian
03-23-2008, 01:56 PM
Good thing the LeSabre is back and running. I agree with you about the black wheel and white car will look very Sporty. And good thing, those idiot won't lay the hand on your car. Wow you're having good luck.

Speed911
03-23-2008, 02:00 PM
Dan, what do you do to keep your engine clean? I need something for after my weekend 4 wheelin trips, rinsing it off helps, but doesn't really clean it well.

Marra90
03-23-2008, 02:17 PM
Dan, what do you do to keep your engine clean? I need something for after my weekend 4 wheelin trips, rinsing it off helps, but doesn't really clean it well.

ive been wondering about that for years, still havent figured it out yet lol

hondaman
03-25-2008, 06:34 AM
Thanks EL :)

Speed and Marra, I use Gunk Engine Brite.

http://www.hardwarestore.com/media/product/241943_front200.jpg

A word to the wise about this product (Speed, you may not have to worry about this as much, as you can simply remove your top) but this stuff has a very strong petrochemical smell to it. It's a good idea to let it dry for a day or two before using your interior air vents in any way. After that you shouldn't have to worry about the smell invading your interior.
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hondaman
03-26-2008, 05:14 PM
Update on the port and polish. I'll just quote the post of the guy who is doing it for me to save time.

PLIM Progress thus far.

Coolant holes to the TB drilled, tapped and plugged with stainless steel pipe plugs:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM1.jpg

Yay, no chance of ingesting coolant at the UIM now.

Opened the front coolant ports a bit to compensate.

Before:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/CoolantPort1.jpg

After:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM2.jpg

Got the runner outlet ports opened up.

Before:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/L36LIM2.jpg

After:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM3.jpg

The difference is subtle, but significant. Rough casting flaws are gone, and the ports are more squared off, with material removed particularly at the corners.

Next will be the time-consuming part...smoothing out the runners; got one done:

Before (well, during, really):
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM4.jpg

After:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM5.jpg
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Killua
03-26-2008, 06:30 PM
That's so sick! I can't wait to see a video showing the difference. :)

Reptillian
03-26-2008, 07:13 PM
The aftereffect is certainly looking better.

hondaman
04-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Thanks guys, unfortunately we're never going to see it get installed...

The LeSabre got totalled this morning. It's not officially declared so, but I'm almost positive it will be. My car is smashed really bad.

I was on my way to work when it happened. I had just pulled away from an intersection when some woman in a Suburban coming from the left side ran the intersection and hit me in the left rear quarter panel really hard. Her story is that she fell asleep behind the wheel just before she ran the light and doesn't remember it happening.

I didn't even see it coming. All of a sudden it felt like I got punched in the side hard and I was spinning out of control. After it happened I just sat there for what seemed like forever in a daze, I had no idea what had happened. Some really heroic drivers who witnessed the accident pulled me out, they said my car was leaking gasoline. Thankfully it didn't ignite, though. My LeSabre's side airbags worked really well, I'm completely okay so don't worry about that...

I just got home from it about an hour ago and I've been talking with people trying to sort through it...I'm really at a loss for words...I can't even describe how I'm feeling right now. Empty about describes it. I took pictures but I'm worried that looking at them right now would make me too upset so I'll post them later.

I gotta get out of the house for a while...sitting here is not doing me any good.

Reptillian
04-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Well, really sad for you and good thing you're alive.I don't know anything about taking care about car, but you could have used the wrong gasoline or something involved the engine, or something like that. Will insurance helps?

Driv3r
04-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Well, really sad for you and good thing you're alive.I don't know anything about taking care about car, but you could have used the wrong gasoline or something involved the engine, or something like that. Will insurance helps?

Umm... What the hell? That makes no sense. How can using "wrong" gasoline cause someone to hit Dan's Buick? For that matter, what is "worng" gas? Perhaps you should read the entire post, and then think about what your posting.

And I Call April Fool's!

But If this is serious, Sorry about your loss Dan, But be thankful you are still ok. Remember: Car's are replaceable, Human life is not.

FEAR
04-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Thanks guys, unfortunately we're never going to see it get installed...

The LeSabre got totalled this morning. It's not officially declared so, but I'm almost positive it will be. My car is smashed really bad.

I was on my way to work when it happened. I had just pulled away from an intersection when some woman in a Suburban coming from the left side ran the intersection and hit me in the left rear quarter panel really hard. Her story is that she fell asleep behind the wheel just before she ran the light and doesn't remember it happening.

I didn't even see it coming. All of a sudden it felt like I got punched in the side hard and I was spinning out of control. After it happened I just sat there for what seemed like forever in a daze, I had no idea what had happened. Some really heroic drivers who witnessed the accident pulled me out, they said my car was leaking gasoline. Thankfully it didn't ignite, though. My LeSabre's side airbags worked really well, I'm completely okay so don't worry about that...

I just got home from it about an hour ago and I've been talking with people trying to sort through it...I'm really at a loss for words...I can't even describe how I'm feeling right now. Empty about describes it. I took pictures but I'm worried that looking at them right now would make me too upset so I'll post them later.

I gotta get out of the house for a while...sitting here is not doing me any good.


Your side airbags had me at April Fools :P (that is, if I'm not mistaken)

however, in the case that I am severly mistaken.... at least you're still here with us.

hondaman
04-01-2008, 05:58 PM
Yeah, you all caught onto it pretty quick...April Fool's. ;)

The LeSabre is sitting outside 100% unblemished and is awaiting the port and polish.
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Imprezzive
04-01-2008, 06:36 PM
Side airbags, huh? You had me at April fools when you said:

Her story is that she fell asleep behind the wheel just before she ran the light and doesn't remember it happening.

Still, looking good as usual and I can't wait to see, or hear for that matter, the outcome.

Kracka
04-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Well, really sad for you and good thing you're alive.I don't know anything about taking care about car, but you could have used the wrong gasoline or something involved the engine, or something like that. Will insurance helps?

Quoted based on the fact that this makes entirely no sense what-so-ever, and needs to be seen by all.

Linkin
04-01-2008, 09:35 PM
Well, really sad for you and good thing you're alive.I don't know anything about taking care about car, but you could have used the wrong gasoline or something involved the engine, or something like that. Will insurance helps?

Moral of the story: If you put the wrong gasoline in your car, sleeping women will hit you.

hondaman
04-02-2008, 10:03 PM
Port and polish is done:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM1-1.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/agrazela/PLIM2-1.jpg

Now awaiting delivery.
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RedTwentyFour
04-03-2008, 06:15 AM
http://smiliesftw.com/x/Bolt.gif

hondaman
04-10-2008, 02:24 PM
Ported and Polished intake manifold has arrived. I'll post pics when I get home from work.

Installation will come eventually. Grandma's Revenge needs a new set of tires first.
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Sage
04-11-2008, 09:15 AM
:shocked2:

me want.

hondaman
04-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Oops, forgot to post the pictures.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7877/s6301421ze8.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6909/s6301422dh3.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7628/s6301423xp9.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8025/s6301426mk1.jpg
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Sinister
04-11-2008, 08:35 PM
New tires? why not burn off the rest of the rubber on the old ones first ;) wont take too long after the new port and polish.


Looks great man.

Imprezzive
04-11-2008, 09:01 PM
Looks great as usual.

What tires are you planning to purchase?

hondaman
04-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Thanks guys. :)

New tires? why not burn off the rest of the rubber on the old ones first ;) wont take too long after the new port and polish.


Looks great man.

Hah, I would but the old tires had a separated belt up front. Made for some strange vibrations and noises.

Looks great as usual.

What tires are you planning to purchase?

Well I wasn't sure at the time, but after going to Sam's Club to browse their selection I ended up getting 4 Michelin X Radials for $520, which includes lifetime rotation & balancing and an 80,000 mile warranty. They're quieter, smoother, better handling, and more durable than the tires I had on there.

Pics:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5351/s6301427yw2.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7237/s6301428uo4.jpg

Car show tonight. I'll post pics from that later.
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Killua
04-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Pretty cool stuff man, I'm looking forward for pictures of the car show.

Reptillian
04-12-2008, 07:53 PM
I'll agree with Killua here.

Marra90
04-13-2008, 04:37 AM
me too
i bet that thing goes like a beast after the port and polish
not that it wouldent have done before!!

hondaman
04-13-2008, 08:44 PM
Thanks again guys :D

Had a great time at the car show, there was a good turnout and a huge amount of interest in my car. Most everyone there knew it and remembered it's name. Pretty much ended up talking to everyone who looked at it, they had a lot of questions.

Pics:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/930/s6301429qw8.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5052/s6301430zu5.jpg

My PLIM got advertised.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6353/s6301431do0.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8004/s6301432np0.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/760/s6301433si6.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5134/s6301434jm3.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6610/s6301435ch9.jpg

I'm going to take it out in the country for some cruising later tonight, might post some videos later. It'll be dark but the exhaust sound is what I'm aiming for :)
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Reptillian
04-14-2008, 03:10 PM
You're lucky that your car is advertised. It looking good. ;)

Civic_Undercover
04-14-2008, 08:03 PM
Wow... lots of car at that show! Bel Airs, camaros, stang's trucks, lots of beautifully maintained beasts, and grandma's revenge fits right in with the best of em'

hondaman
04-17-2008, 12:35 PM
Thanks again guys :D

Completely forgot to post the video from the other night, here it is.

UpmtUaGiVac

Haven't posted any sounds from the LeSabre in a while. Enjoy!
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Sinister
04-17-2008, 05:41 PM
Dan you really need a 'show girl'friend to help make your car stand out even more compared to the rest.

its so nice now that you can post your videos directly on here now.

hondaman
04-21-2008, 05:57 PM
Dan you really need a 'show girl'friend to help make your car stand out even more compared to the rest.

its so nice now that you can post your videos directly on here now.

Hah yeah, that wouldn't be a bad idea at all. ;)

Well anytime me, a camera, and my car are in the same place pictures usually end up getting taken so here they are:

Excuse my car's dirtiness. It hasn't been washed in a week and therefore is not up to my usual picture taking standards.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3786/s6301445lg3.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9092/s6301446nv8.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9609/s6301447od4.jpg

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/793/s6301448bn7.jpg
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Marra90
04-22-2008, 01:05 PM
lol @ dirty ??
where?

hondaman
04-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Well, dirty in my eyes I guess :P

Anytime when it hasn't been washed in the past couple of days I consider it to be "dirty".
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Sage
04-23-2008, 11:19 AM
i wouldn't call it dirty; my cars are almost never clean. every time i was the stang it rains the next day and ruins it :/

Marra90
04-23-2008, 11:41 AM
same here, my car is never clean
cos its usually wet over here lol

hondaman
04-23-2008, 07:06 PM
i wouldn't call it dirty; my cars are almost never clean. every time i was the stang it rains the next day and ruins it :/

I know that feeling. Except it's more along the lines of bird poop. :(

Moar pix, again please excuse the dirt:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4968/s6301449xi1.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8937/s6301450fn9.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6641/s6301453ds2.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6938/s6301456xe9.jpg

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3315/s6301458um0.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8025/s6301463ak7.jpg
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Imprezzive
04-23-2008, 07:36 PM
Bird poop...Emily's worst enemy :(

Nice pictures, Dan.

hondaman
04-24-2008, 06:47 PM
Bird poop...Emily's worst enemy :(

Nice pictures, Dan.

Thanks Imprezzive. :)

Update: Ported and polished intake manifold installation will be done soon. I'm making arrangements to get it in May 3rd or 4th. After which I will take a 100 mile drive to allow the PCM to learn and adapt to the increased airflow, and then I will begin experiencing the full amount of power increase that the P&P has to offer.

For reference on how this will improve my performance, take a look at this video if you are interested:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/95%20Misc/?action=view&current=PortedL36Performance.flv

Although this is a 95 Pontiac Bonneville, our engines, weight, and transmission (including gear ratios) are identical. Meaning that stock vs. stock, you'd have a difficult time telling the difference in performance between the two.

All he did was the ported and polished intake manifold (learned PCM merely means the PCM had adapted to the increased airflow), and it turned his 8 second 0-60 Bonneville into a nearer 7 second car. My car already can do 0-60 in around 7 seconds with my mods, so how much faster this will push me will be left to the imagination...
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hondaman
04-25-2008, 04:30 PM
Made final arrangements and picked up all remaining necessary parts...installation will take place on Thursday, May 1st. I'll post my results, pics, and impressions after that.

Will also be installing a 180* thermostat as opposed to the stock 195*. This will keep the engine a bit cooler, therefore lowering intake temps a bit and helping performance.

If the rain will stop I plan on taking pictures of my car again tomorrow after a wash.
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hondaman
04-26-2008, 04:40 PM
Pics as promised:

Adding a little Alabama heritage this time.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8043/s6301468mz9.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7816/s6301469xq3.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/228/s6301471fg3.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4254/s6301474rb9.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4008/s6301476eq6.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2347/s6301477wm3.jpg

There is also a ghost story behind this house, of a man who was axed to death while he was ascending the stairs in the 1800s. Apparently he's been sighted more than a few times and alarmed a few passers-by on the road my Buick is on. It is currently uninhabited.
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Reptillian
04-26-2008, 04:48 PM
These are pretty amazing picture. ;)

Marra90
04-27-2008, 09:52 AM
That thing is sucha sleeper its unreal

Killua
04-28-2008, 04:24 PM
Those pictures are pretty nice, man. Even though that the house is uninhabited, still looks like it's being taken care of.

Anyway, looking forward for the instalation of the intake manifold and any other modification you come up with. :)

Mr. Sting Ray
04-28-2008, 10:18 PM
This Buick just keeps getting better and better man.

hondaman
05-01-2008, 10:20 PM
Thank you all for your kind words, they are very much appreciated. ;)

So, the port and polish installation.

Unfortunately, due to the amount of beers I consu....er, unforeseeable delays, I had to stop for the night. Everything's off, gaskets are removed and mating surfaces are cleaned. All parts and sensors are off the old LIM and onto the new one. Some pics:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4990/s6301489ll5.jpg

Down to the LIM.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5025/s6301494rs9.jpg

Fairly clean lifter valley I suppose. Only been run on Mobil 1 since I've had it. Also, you can see how the aluminum gaskets have held up over the past nine months.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8907/s6301495rc8.jpg

My parts mat.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5300/s6301496mv0.jpg

New and old.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/365/s6301497oj3.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1586/s6301498mm9.jpg

Port comparisons. You can see how much larger and more squared off the new ones are.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3672/s6301499az7.jpg

As it sits for the night, ready for reassembly. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have the finished report.
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Killua
05-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Lovely. I'm anxious to see that installed and its results.

FEAR
05-02-2008, 06:18 PM
Looks very nice. Can't wait to see it in action.

hondaman
05-03-2008, 01:31 AM
Well it's in, and having been driving it for the past couple of hours all I can say is holy shit...

I have pics and impressions to share but I'm too tired now. Sometime tomorrow I'll get them up.
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hondaman
05-03-2008, 09:13 PM
Still have the pics but still don't feel like uploading them lol...just one of those lazy days I guess.

Anyway impressions.

Power has increased across the entire band, but particularly at the midrange (2k-4k rpm). Full throttle starts are incredible, car will break the tires loose if floored suddenly at any speed less than 20 mph, and will at the very least cause them to chirp up to 30 mph. Top gear acceleration has improved substantially. Full throttle acceleration above 80 mph is just incredible...car reaches and continues into triple digit speeds with ease. Throttle response at any speed has improved.

No videos yet. I only floored it a couple of times for my own personal tests, and that's enough. I'm tracking down a slightly higher than normal oil pressure reading that I believe is just a faulty oil pressure sender...but I don't want to run the car too hard until I know for sure. 20 psi above normal isn't really anything to worry about, but I don't want to take chances. All indications other than the pressure indicate that the car is running in top form.

Connecting the car to a scanner shows that VE (volumetric efficiency) has increased substantially across the rpm range according to the car's power control module. As a result, my PCM now allows the car to shift at the redline as opposed to 500 rpm before it...it's actually making good power up there now. :)

As for the thermostat, I'm noticing more from it than I thought I would. It's keeping my transmission cooler and as a result, seems to be shifting much smoother than before.

More updates later.
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Civic_Undercover
05-03-2008, 10:18 PM
What a beast the buick has become! Are you still getting as good gas mileage with such a souped up car? Are you even perhaps getting more? If so, my idea that you CAN make a boat fast and get good mileage will be confirmed :D
When I get a chevy caprice, or crown vic, I want to do something like this, make it really potent, but still getting good gas mileage and whatnot.

hondaman
05-04-2008, 12:12 AM
What a beast the buick has become! Are you still getting as good gas mileage with such a souped up car? Are you even perhaps getting more? If so, my idea that you CAN make a boat fast and get good mileage will be confirmed :D
When I get a chevy caprice, or crown vic, I want to do something like this, make it really potent, but still getting good gas mileage and whatnot.

Thanks. :D

And yes, all of my mods thus far are "free mods", meaning they all increase horsepower and fuel economy. All except the 180* thermostat, which in theory should reduce mileage slightly...but it's never been enough to be noticeable. I regularly achieved 22 mpg city and near 30 or above highway, once achieving an all time high of 35 mpg on a tank traveling at 60 mph with the A/C off. I'm interested to see how the new PLIM affects mileage. :)

Good choice with the Caprice and Crown Vic...two cars I also take interest in. If you get the Caprice, make sure you get one with an LT1. 260 hp!

Anyway, oil pressure problem seems to have fixed itself...oddly. I'll be going easy on it and keeping a close watch for the next few days but I suspect it's fine. I do feel like I should share something so, a pic and a vid:

Again, still going easy on it due to the pressure thing, but 0-50 mph in 13 seconds at less than half throttle, while making a turn no less, should give some idea of it's capabilities I hope. Note how it pulls between 40 and 50 mph, again at less than half throttle.

HG9aKD3NCrY

Sadly the video doesn't really convey the seat of the pants feel. Maybe it helps, though.

And a pic. Was just a quick shot while cruising.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1444/s6301509vi6.jpg

Next up: I feel my current intake setup is actually now my biggest restriction. I will be upgrading it soon.
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hondaman
05-04-2008, 04:09 PM
Alright, so I have ordered this:

http://intense-racing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IR&Product_Code=INT-FWI-97&Category_Code=3800_Induction

Specifically built for these cars, and these motors. Should be in sometime later this week.

Oil pressure problem seems to be fixed now.
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Killua
05-04-2008, 08:31 PM
Good to know that the oil problem has been fixed.
As for the changes with the Port and Polish, dude, that thing really pulls! Looking forward for the new intake too.

hondaman
05-05-2008, 12:06 AM
Thanks Killua. ;)

After further testing, I feel the car was safe enough to actually get a video worth being shown. Waited until 30 mph until I was in full throttle and even then I eased into it because burnouts are baaad...I want my transmission to stay alive and kicking for a good while longer!

DlcWBgHzNvI

Maybe this will give you a better idea of my car's newfound power. I expect the intake to improve even more on top of that.
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fd2black
05-05-2008, 03:48 PM
damn son
thats friggen sick. you should give us a burnout vid sometime man

Killua
05-05-2008, 04:06 PM
The tachometer just gets crazy... haha, gotta love it.

Civic_Undercover
05-07-2008, 09:40 PM
Only problem with the Caprice is, the newest one I could get would be over 10 years old.... they are so hard to find now :( Crown Vics are a lot more abundant (still in production, obviously) but they don't have that beefy camaro style engine. Still, by using free mods, the Crown Vic might be able to take on a caprice.

But then it wouldn't be a fair challenge. The true way is to upgrade them both, line em' up at the 1/4 mile, then gun it, and may the faster land yacht win :)

35 mpg..... dang who says boats can't be fast AND get good gas? :D

hondaman
05-07-2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks guys. ;)

Intake is in. You can see just how restrictive my old one (bottom) was in comparison:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2669/s6301516tp3.jpg

Installed:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5523/s6301519sc5.jpg

Car pulls much stronger on the top end and revs easier now.

Next mod: specially tuned power control module.
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Meastro444
05-08-2008, 04:14 AM
its pure sexyness!

hondaman
05-11-2008, 09:07 AM
its pure sexyness!

Thanks man ;)

Currently working on some tuning issues. Should hopefully have it fixed by this afternoon.
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ForzaFreak
05-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Usually, with grannymobiles like this, I would make a smart crack or somethink to make fun of in. No so in this case. This car is....how you say.....uh.....awesome! Good job with this car! I hope it gets named COTM (if it hasn't already).

Upgrade to this: :} LOL :D :bolt

Imprezzive
06-02-2008, 10:00 AM
Congratulations Dan for a well-deserved ROTM win!

GTR
06-02-2008, 10:38 AM
DlcWBgHzNvI


Holy shit, whata sleeper. I can't believe that its that quick. thats just insane

edit: any plans for a super charger any time soon?

hondaman
06-07-2008, 01:07 PM
Thanks a lot for your compliments and congratulations guys. ;)

Holy shit, whata sleeper. I can't believe that its that quick. thats just insane

edit: any plans for a super charger any time soon?


Thanks, and the difference from the port and polish really surprised me a lot as well. Not only do you have the difference from that part alone, but it also multiplies the effects of the intake and exhaust through the increased airflow. Really gets the car moving like crazy. It'll pull that way up to triple digit speeds and probably beyond, except my speedo doesn't go up that high so I can't really judge.

Any time soon for a supercharger, no. I'd have to have around 5k for the parts and necessary labor assistance needed to get it in and done right, plus all the nice parts I'd want to add (camshaft, headers, etc) and as a college student with two cars to maintain, I don't have that to throw away just yet. Someday though.

Anyway, ordinarily I would have car show pics today as today is car show day...but I am atrociously sick with a severe cold that has completely taken away my voice and will be unable to make it. I'm very disappointed in that, but what good is going to a show to show off your car if you can't talk to the people who are interested in it? Plus, a walking infection is probably not the most welcome person at a large gathering of people.

It's been a while since I've posted pictures so I'll try to get myself out somewhere and get some this weekend.
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Civic_Undercover
06-07-2008, 03:47 PM
Hope you feel better dan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't superchargers decrease fuel economy? Or was that a turbocharger. Not that it really matters all that much, lol. You could try getting a different dashboard gauge setup, like maximum 175 just to be safe :D So that way you could compare before & after stuff, show just how much your beast has improved.

KnightRider
06-07-2008, 05:24 PM
that car has really become a sweet *** sleeper lately dan nice work. i really do wish you the best of luck in getting her what you want her to be,get well soon man cuz we need those updates now and then buddy.:D

hondaman
06-08-2008, 12:42 AM
Hope you feel better dan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't superchargers decrease fuel economy? Or was that a turbocharger. Not that it really matters all that much, lol. You could try getting a different dashboard gauge setup, like maximum 175 just to be safe :D So that way you could compare before & after stuff, show just how much your beast has improved.

that car has really become a sweet *** sleeper lately dan nice work. i really do wish you the best of luck in getting her what you want her to be,get well soon man cuz we need those updates now and then buddy.:D

Thanks a lot guys, I'm actually doing a lot better with these antibiotics they've got me on. I can at least talk again.

And, both turbochargers and superchargers decrease fuel economy. It's hard to say how much in general, but on the 3800 the difference between a supercharged and naturally aspirated 3800 is about 1-2 mpg.

Thanks to these antibiotics, I managed to get out and get my car cleaned up for the show...which I found wasn't there. I missed the last show too so I'll have to check in with these guys and see if they changed their scheduled day or location. But, I did get pictures:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8676/s6301548yx3.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2239/s6301550rx5.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2451/s6301552rw8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9477/s6301555wp3.jpg

The next three show how original 11 year old paint can last if properly taken care of.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8175/s6301556up8.jpg

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Vanexroxics
06-08-2008, 12:46 AM
holy moly Dan...
It's been long since I last seen your car, but yikes, 11 years, and it's still one fine ride.

MuscleCarFreak
06-08-2008, 03:24 AM
Dan, You do have a sweet ride but the Vids didnt impress me near as much as alot of these guys for some reason. Got any vids that show how it does from a dead stop to balls to the walls. Give her hell alil for us.

hondaman
06-08-2008, 12:53 PM
Thanks Dark Ritual :)

Dan, You do have a sweet ride but the Vids didnt impress me near as much as alot of these guys for some reason. Got any vids that show how it does from a dead stop to balls to the walls. Give her hell alil for us.
Ha, yeah I know it's not really the best...

I'll see what I can do, maybe. Can't really guarantee anything though. I do mean what I said earlier about trying to preserve my trans! Any kind of mishap on a hard launch with a non-HD transmission is bad news, over time. An HD build is in the plan for the future with the supercharger.

EDIT: OSHI~ Pics repost for new page



http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8676/s6301548yx3.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2239/s6301550rx5.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2451/s6301552rw8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9477/s6301555wp3.jpg

The next three show how original 11 year old paint can last if properly taken care of.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8175/s6301556up8.jpg

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MuscleCarFreak
06-08-2008, 05:44 PM
I'll see what I can do, maybe. Can't really guarantee anything though. I do mean what I said earlier about trying to preserve my trans! Any kind of mishap on a hard launch with a non-HD transmission is bad news, over time. An HD build is in the plan for the future with the supercharger.

Understood.... Got to make sure your Trans holds up.
I just hope you didnt take me the wrong way.

EVO9MR
06-08-2008, 10:13 PM
Thanks guys, unfortunately we're never going to see it get installed...

The LeSabre got totalled this morning. It's not officially declared so, but I'm almost positive it will be. My car is smashed really bad.

I was on my way to work when it happened. I had just pulled away from an intersection when some woman in a Suburban coming from the left side ran the intersection and hit me in the left rear quarter panel really hard. Her story is that she fell asleep behind the wheel just before she ran the light and doesn't remember it happening.

I didn't even see it coming. All of a sudden it felt like I got punched in the side hard and I was spinning out of control. After it happened I just sat there for what seemed like forever in a daze, I had no idea what had happened. Some really heroic drivers who witnessed the accident pulled me out, they said my car was leaking gasoline. Thankfully it didn't ignite, though. My LeSabre's side airbags worked really well, I'm completely okay so don't worry about that...

I just got home from it about an hour ago and I've been talking with people trying to sort through it...I'm really at a loss for words...I can't even describe how I'm feeling right now. Empty about describes it. I took pictures but I'm worried that looking at them right now would make me too upset so I'll post them later.

I gotta get out of the house for a while...sitting here is not doing me any good. man how could u do this to us. that scared da s*** out of me:'(

Moral of the story: If you put the wrong gasoline in your car, sleeping women will hit you. lol ill keep that in mind:P

Well it's in, and having been driving it for the past couple of hours all I can say is holy shit...

I have pics and impressions to share but I'm too tired now. Sometime tomorrow I'll get them up.
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. have u been drinking i mean having more delays?:|

hondaman
06-08-2008, 11:05 PM
Understood.... Got to make sure your Trans holds up.
I just hope you didnt take me the wrong way.

Nah, it's cool. Once that HD transmission is in, getting full throttle videos from any speed won't be an issue!

have u been drinking i mean having more delays?:|

You're right, I still haven't gotten those installation pictures up. I'll have to go digging around for those sometime.
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Mr. Sting Ray
06-15-2008, 08:36 PM
Hey hondaman, since your Buick already has the 4T60E transmission that it was built for, have you ever considered dropping in a Cadillac 4.9? The tranny is built for the load it makes, along with massive torque the V8 makes and your intake would strap right on, also your Cat and Flowmaster 80 Series would make it sound exactly like this.
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No one would expect to see a mid 90s Buick LeSabre with V8 power.

Btw, even though the 4.9 V8 only generates 200 HP, it has a very wide power band with it's 280 TQ at 4100 RPMS.

Just imagine the look on people's faces when you open the hood at the show and this beast sits there for all to see.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/551/1001889tj9.th.jpg (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001889tj9.jpg)

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

hondaman
06-17-2008, 10:37 AM
I have given thought to swapping in a Cadillac V8, but not the 4.9...more so the Northstar 4.0 from the STS with 300 hp/tq.

However, a few things keep me from doing that...

A 3800 Series II SC is a direct bolt on swap...no custom fabrication is needed. Any V8 swap would.

3800 Series II SC makes 240 hp / 280 tq stock, and weighs a lot less than the Cadillac V8s.

As it is, I'm making ~230-240 hp and ~250-260 lb-ft. The 4.9 would probably slow me down.

Then there's the aftermarket...I can easily cross the 1000 hp threshold with the 3800 if I wanted to...though I don't think I would. I'd be hard pressed to get the Nortstar at least beyond the 350/400 hp mark. There just isn't that much of an aftermarket for them. Not sure about the 4.9.

Basically, it comes down to cost vs. gain. I wouldn't end up gaining that much in the end with a Cadillac FWD V8.

Would definitely be neat to see a V8 powered LeSabre, though.

Now, if I were really serious about going the V8 route I'd do a RWD conversion and slap in an LS1 or something of that nature. :)
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Mr. Sting Ray
06-20-2008, 09:55 PM
If you want to get a good performance chip for your car hondaman, try this http://www.fastchip.com/ I bought mine just to delimit the mph from 108.

hondaman
06-22-2008, 12:08 AM
Thanks Vector, I already have an upgraded PCM but I'll have to compare what that does to what I have.

I finally got myself a nice tripod and set about taking some night pics. Didn't turn out so bad for a $99 digital camera and me being relatively new to night photography.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301583.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301593.jpg

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Mrdanman93
06-30-2008, 10:06 PM
My dad drives the same kind of car a '97 Buick LeSabre Custom AND IT IS COMFORTABLE AS HELL!

hondaman
07-14-2008, 05:53 PM
My dad drives the same kind of car a '97 Buick LeSabre Custom AND IT IS COMFORTABLE AS HELL!

That it is! ;)

And on that note...

The command center

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9518/s6301677lj4.jpg

Passenger's door panel w/dual climate controls, 10 way power seats 'n shit

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/364/s6301678ep2.jpg

Captain's lounge

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/41/s6301671yn5.jpg

Passenger accomodations

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/497/s6301673gm3.jpg

I'll actually be taking this car to a car club meet later this year...more info and pictures on that when it happens!
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Synthecide
07-14-2008, 10:20 PM
That it is! ;)

And on that note...

The command center

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9518/s6301677lj4.jpg

Passenger's door panel w/dual climate controls, 10 way power seats 'n shit

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/364/s6301678ep2.jpg

Captain's lounge

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/41/s6301671yn5.jpg

Passenger accomodations

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/497/s6301673gm3.jpg

I'll actually be taking this car to a car club meet later this year...more info and pictures on that when it happens!
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DAAAYUUUMMMM....pimpin' ain't easy my friend.

Imprezzive
07-14-2008, 10:29 PM
I am speechless after seeing those interior shots.

GTR
07-15-2008, 12:54 AM
dayum 0_o

Jon 944S2
07-15-2008, 01:51 AM
That's an excellent looking car and when finished should be a real beast.

hondaman
07-16-2008, 07:15 PM
Thanks again guys, your comments are always appreciated. :)

Something new:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5228/s6301687tb7.jpg

New auxiliary trans cooler to supplement the stock cooler in the radiator.

This is pretty much needed with the amount of mods I have at this point, to keep the trans happy. Seems to shift smoother now. I still have to be careful on launches because those front wheels will just sit there and keep spinning forever if I take a dump on the throttle, which isn't good for the trans at all.

Oh, and please excuse my dirty car.
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hondaman
07-18-2008, 06:53 PM
Cleaned up my engine bay today. I know you're used to seeing my engine bay clean but trust me...it's gotten really dirty since the last time I took a picture of it.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6960/s6301694fe9.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3168/s6301695dj8.jpg

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Now it's good and clean again.

Also got this shot, I had to get that sign for my 'Sabre a month or so ago:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1558/s6301698zg1.jpg

Shows the Intense window banner too, though I didn't plan it that way.
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Driv3r
07-18-2008, 07:22 PM
Very nice Dan! I love the sign and the window sticker :)

Force-Fed R34
07-18-2008, 07:34 PM
A very nice car. I give it...well if I had four thumbs i'd give it four thumbs up ;)

tomofthed
07-21-2008, 03:47 AM
i'm speechless. i always made a big hype about my 1992 lesabre custom (it's pretty fast, i suppose stock is 8.9 seconds and it seems to be about that now; haven't done a real test since my well needed/noticed tune-up). my friends always thought it was funny when i'd say if i knew more about auto mechanics, that i'd consider putting money into upgrading my car's performance. but here it is: grandma's revenge. i made a user name on these forums SOLELY to express how awesome I think what you did and what you are doing is. makes me wish i knew more about auto mechanics; might seek out some education in it sometime (currently pursuing music and business).

out of curiosity, what would be a less expensive (cheapest you can think of) mod you would suggest to my 1992 buick lesabre if i sought out a lower 0-60 time? (i have a buddy that knows two guys that are capable of doing a lot with customizing cars.) thought I'd seek out a little upgrading before i educate myself to be more independent with my car's work.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/tomofthed/LeSabre/DSC01475-2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/tomofthed/LeSabre/DSC01478-2.jpg
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hondaman
07-21-2008, 05:18 PM
Thanks man!

A little clarification before I begin - I'm going to use the RPO codes for our engines to save time, yours (the Series I 3800) is L27 and mine (the Series II 3800) is L36.

Unfortunately what you can do for the L27 as far as aftermarket is concerned is a lot more limited than what you can do for the L36. There used to be this great aftermarket website that supported L27's called seriesoneperformance.com but unfortunately their customer service eventually took a dramatic turn for the worse and ended up costing them their business...

For the L36's we have intense-racing.com (a major part supplier on my car) as well as zzperformance.com (more specialized in Grand Prix's but some of their 3800 parts will work). Even so, there are a few things you can use from those sites...

Unfortunately though, there's not a lot cheap you can do with these cars, even more so with an L27. Cheapest thing I can think of would be to port match your lower intake manifold to the heads which would be free if you did it yourself but the L27 has a much better match from the factory than the L36 did, so the gains would be less noticeable.

You can use some parts from Intense's website to fabricate an FWI (fenderwell intake) and it'll run you about $70 or so to build your own.

http://www.intense-racing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IR&Category_Code=3800_Induction

You'll need about 3' of the 3" tubing (L27's had a smaller diameter throttle body than the L36) and one of their 9" K&N cone filters with a 3" inlet. You'll also need to run down to your local Autozone or similar and get about three screw type clamps to fit around the throttle body and filter. You'll also need to find some kind of a solid tube that can fit inside the tubing and the filter to function as a connector between the two. Not exactly sure where to find that though, sorry. :\ With these cars a lot of truly custom work is needed to improve performance.

A 180* thermostat will only cost you a few bucks. You won't see any noticeable difference in power but it will keep your engine cooler and will lower intake temps a bit.

The only other thing I can think of is 1.8 (use 1.8 only on the L27!) ratio rockers and stronger valve springs. But they are pricey, and definitely not for novice installers. I would also have a good chat with Intense's customer service department before applying them to your car. I do know of someone who has 1.8 ratio rockers on their L27, though.

http://www.intense-racing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IR&Category_Code=HCV

To be completely honest though, there are just too many limitations with the L27, the aftermarket is nonexistent...your best option that will get you the most performance is to swap the engine and transmission out to a Series II supercharged 3800 (L67) engine and transmission. Then, Intense and ZZPerformance will become your best friend...LOTS of mods for the Series II powerplants...

If you're interested in swapping, try www.l67swap.com or www.3800pro.com, lots of info on that there...

Sorry that there isn't a whole lot you can do to your existing motor. The L27 is a great engine though, really solid.
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tomofthed
07-21-2008, 05:46 PM
Thanks for all of the information Hondaman. Due to lack of much cash at the moment and minimal skills in auto mechanics myself, I'll probably hold out on anything too major for my car. However, I definitely haven't ruled out another Buick (LeSabre or Park Avenue/Ultra) for future purchase whenever my car has its final days; 139,000 miles and still going very strong on my '92.

I always tell myself that I want three focuses in life: music, computers, and autos. I still lack autos, but I won't let myself die without adding that to what I'm capable of (I'm only 20, so not like I'm dying anytime soon or anything :D). I'll keep checking your progress on yours, and I'll get back to you If I'm thinking of doing anything big (like a new buick or etc) and when I hopefully found some good training/reading/hands-on/summer courses sometime.

Once again, your input was much appreciated. Keep doing what you're doing; much respect for this.

PS: They should make your car a special unlockable car in the next Need for Speed game. Just a thought; I know I'd use it!

2FAST4U
07-22-2008, 01:46 AM
What kind of cleaners and stuff do you use to keep your engine compartment clean? (including all the hoses, wires, and such) My engine compartment hasn't been touched in the car's 20 year lifespan except for the good bit of cleaning I've done. However, in a few months the engine and tranny will be out, at which point I plan to clean and repaint the engine bay and hopefully get everything nice and clean. Of course, I'll want to keep it that way so I'm just wondering what the best stuff to use is.

My car started off with 155hp and a 9 sec 0-60. Currently at 225hp with a 6.5 sec 0-60. No exterior mods. A few people have told me to put 5.0 badges on the fender, and I just reply "Why not make them find out the hard way?" Glad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy.

hondaman
07-25-2008, 11:26 AM
What kind of cleaners and stuff do you use to keep your engine compartment clean? (including all the hoses, wires, and such) My engine compartment hasn't been touched in the car's 20 year lifespan except for the good bit of cleaning I've done. However, in a few months the engine and tranny will be out, at which point I plan to clean and repaint the engine bay and hopefully get everything nice and clean. Of course, I'll want to keep it that way so I'm just wondering what the best stuff to use is.

My car started off with 155hp and a 9 sec 0-60. Currently at 225hp with a 6.5 sec 0-60. No exterior mods. A few people have told me to put 5.0 badges on the fender, and I just reply "Why not make them find out the hard way?" Glad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy.

I use Gunk Engine Brite. Works real well, but leaves a petroleum smell behind for a while. Be warned.

It probably wouldn't be that much of a problem since you'll be doing it out of the car, can rinse it off real good...but when it's in the bay it tends to stay in hidden places.
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hondaman
08-09-2008, 05:02 PM
My LeSabre is cleaned up and ready to be featured in a car show again...

I'll be leaving for it in about an hour and will post pics when I get back. ;)

For now, here's how it sits:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301787.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301788.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301791.jpg

More later.
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Killua
08-09-2008, 06:01 PM
She's looking great. Have a good time at the car show!

Robbie Hanson
08-09-2008, 07:00 PM
I am absolutely astonished by the condition of that leather.

hondaman
08-09-2008, 09:23 PM
Thanks guys, and I did manage to have a bunch of fun. :)

There was a huge turnout this time. In between answering questions about my car and walking around looking at other people's, I didn't have much time to get pictures. But I did get a couple:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301793.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/the94hondaman/S6301792.jpg

My car and the hot rod to the left of it generated a huge amount of interest. I personally saw my engine photographed at least twice, which is a pretty big compliment considering the sheer volume of really nice cars at the show, and the relatively small amount of time I spent attending my car versus looking at others.
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EVO9MR
08-11-2008, 03:14 PM
what are you planning to do with the 'sabre' now?

hondaman
08-11-2008, 06:08 PM
what are you planning to do with the 'sabre' now?

Immediately? Keep it running good, and looking good, so I can keep her going to car shows and to the car club meet later in the year.

Not much planned mod wise for a little while.
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EVO9MR
08-12-2008, 05:59 PM
Immediately? Keep it running good, and looking good, so I can keep her going to car shows and to the car club meet later in the year.

Not much planned mod wise for a little while.
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hondaman
08-12-2008, 07:35 PM
aww ok whens the next car club?

Club meet is at the end of October. Then I will be getting another mod or two and some tuning. :)
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hondaman
08-21-2008, 09:57 PM
Here's something new.

I used to make these more often, but then I started getting a lot busier. I haven't made one in about a year. The basic idea behind these is for me to get my best pictures and my favorite videos (though usually with the videos it's just whatever fits in best) and set it to a music theme. Sort of like a promotional video for my car, I guess. To give you an idea of why I've stopped doing these, it took me just about exactly one hour to create each minute of footage that you will see.

I recommend going directly to youtube to watch this, the quality is better. Once there, you can also opt to watch it in high quality. But I'll do the embed thing anyway, for convenience.

LJM5LATz-vI
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nfslover101
08-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Regardless, whether you put the V8 in or leave the engine as is, it sounds beefy! I love how it sounds :D
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GTR
08-22-2008, 09:02 PM
He'd never put a V8 in it. The fuel economy of that engine considering its power is just extraordinary.

hondaman
08-29-2008, 09:37 AM
Thanks, and yeah I'd probably never put a V8 in there. In addition to the fuel economy standpoint it's an extremely solid motor that will last forever if taken care of.
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Killua
08-29-2008, 08:50 PM
Thanks, and yeah I'd probably never put a V8 in there. In addition to the fuel economy standpoint it's an extremely solid motor that will last forever if taken care of.
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With the way you treat your stuff, I strongly believe that this car will have like 350.000-400.000 miles on the odometer before it needs some kind of rebuild. Heck, if cars could talk I guess your Buick and the Chevy would say that you're the best owner they had. :P

Type_0
09-03-2008, 12:25 AM
hey, i love what youve done with this car. i also own the same exact car, just green, and not nearly as well kept (inside or outside. but i got mine with a good deal of the damage already done to it.) i was interested in the air intake you have on it. right now i just have a fairly large cone filter on it, but where did you get yours?

hondaman
09-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Thanks Killua, I hope so. :)

And thanks also, Type_0. I got my intake from here:

http://intense-racing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IR&Product_Code=INT-FWI-97&Category_Code=3800_Induction

It's undoubtedly the best intake you could get for a Series II 3800.
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Azrael
09-23-2008, 10:59 PM
my Buick owns your Buick by default

hondaman
10-11-2008, 02:41 PM
Just to prove I'm not dead and neither is my car...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/n7023576_35800999_3331.jpg

Been on a cruise for three weeks.

Car meet is coming up soon, can't wait! I took it on a 140 mile or so interstate trip last night and it did great...best highway car I've ever driven.
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hondaman
10-14-2008, 09:51 AM
Something kinda neat, I just found an original televised road test of my car, pretty much exactly the same as mine.

k_bQ03tYeg0

They may think the dash is a bit outdated looking and they'd be right, but it looks like a classic American luxury car dash and thus it appeals to me. :)

0-60 in 7.6 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.8, "fastest Buick we've tested since 1988's GNX muscle car"

<== Proud moment
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DodgeBoy
10-14-2008, 12:31 PM
Guess they haven't tested the Regal GS.

hondaman
10-14-2008, 12:35 PM
Guess they haven't tested the Regal GS.

Up until then, no. The supercharged 1997 Regal GS came out midway through the year.
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GTR
10-14-2008, 03:26 PM
Chevrolet Impala LS 0-60 (according to TheAutoChannel.com): 8.5 seconds.

:(

<== Moment of regression.

Schaefft
10-14-2008, 04:05 PM
8.5 secs arent too bad, a 1991 Caprice with 5.0l V8 needs 10.3 secs lol. Id still love to drive one.

Dont know if I said it already, but you got a really nice car there. Looks comfortable.^^

GTR
10-15-2008, 05:53 AM
A Prius gets like high 11s lol :P

Actually, I take that back. It seems that there are different numbers being stated in each review. I also found reviews of this Buick, one stating 8.5 for 0-60, other saying 8.2 and the other saying 7.6. Interestingly enough, I found the same going on with the LS model of Impala. This review (http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/2000/russ9936.html) states 7.6 seconds. I'd imagine my smaller 3.4 would do it in about 8.5 seconds.

hondaman
10-15-2008, 11:27 AM
A Prius gets like high 11s lol :P

Actually, I take that back. It seems that there are different numbers being stated in each review. I also found reviews of this Buick, one stating 8.5 for 0-60, other saying 8.2 and the other saying 7.6. Interestingly enough, I found the same going on with the LS model of Impala. This review (http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/2000/russ9936.html) states 7.6 seconds. I'd imagine my smaller 3.4 would do it in about 8.5 seconds.

For my LeSabre, there were different gear ratios available...one was the "economy" 2.73 and the other is the more performance oriented 3.06 like mine and the one in the video above. I bet the 8.2 and the 8.5 were done with the 2.73 gear ratio. ;)
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2FAST4U
10-15-2008, 03:21 PM
My car's 0-60 was like 8-9 seconds stock, 7 flat when we did the engine, 6.5 when I got rid of the 2.73s in favor of 3.27s, and now it's probably around 6.0-6.3 with a good launch on the new tires with the 5 speed. Gearing and traction does have a lot to do with 0-60 times. Do you plan to get a shorter final gear at some point? If so, you'd see a vast seat-of-the-pants improvement getting something better than a 3.06 ratio. A 15.8 1/4 mile isn't too shabby either.

hondaman
10-18-2008, 12:07 AM
My car's 0-60 was like 8-9 seconds stock, 7 flat when we did the engine, 6.5 when I got rid of the 2.73s in favor of 3.27s, and now it's probably around 6.0-6.3 with a good launch on the new tires with the 5 speed. Gearing and traction does have a lot to do with 0-60 times. Do you plan to get a shorter final gear at some point? If so, you'd see a vast seat-of-the-pants improvement getting something better than a 3.06 ratio. A 15.8 1/4 mile isn't too shabby either.

I have thought about it, when the transmission gets beefed up/replaced during the switch to supercharged power. I know there are some 3.29 and 3.33 ratios available so we'll see what happens.

Right now with the 3.06 I'm managing somewhere between a 6.5 and 6.8 or so 0-60. 1/4 time I don't know, I don't see much point in running it hard on a track until I have a transmission that is better built to handle the stresses of frequent track runs. No sense in going there and only running once.
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GTR
10-18-2008, 02:15 AM
An Impala SS does 0-60 in about the same time, so you'd be pretty close to what it gets, which is like low 14s...but doesn't 7th gen LeSabre come with 2.86 only?

Top Swap to L67 (http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=3800TopSwap)

found this link on impala forums. About $1400 with transmission conversion to "4T65-E HD". i dunno if thats a good deal or not, but thought you might wanna look into it.

How can I figure out my gear ratios though? cause LA1 comes with both the 3.05 and the 2.86.

Dr.DooM
10-18-2008, 09:48 AM
My old 1250 CC fiesta did 0-60 in 11~ seconds LOL
i dno how, but im not the only one ot have found that out

hondaman
10-24-2008, 04:03 PM
An Impala SS does 0-60 in about the same time, so you'd be pretty close to what it gets, which is like low 14s...but doesn't 7th gen LeSabre come with 2.86 only?

Top Swap to L67 (http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=3800TopSwap)

found this link on impala forums. About $1400 with transmission conversion to "4T65-E HD". i dunno if thats a good deal or not, but thought you might wanna look into it.

How can I figure out my gear ratios though? cause LA1 comes with both the 3.05 and the 2.86.

Thanks for the links...when the time comes I'm going to be pretty busy trying to find all this stuff.

To be honest I don't even know what generation my LeSabre is, there have been so many since it's introduction in the 50s...but if by 7th gen you mean 92-99, then no, you could have a 3.06 or the granny gears...which could be 2.86 or 2.73, I'm not sure. Perhaps both depending on year. In 1997 there were two ratios available, the granny gears and the more performance oriented 3.06, which I have. RPO code FW2.

LA1 is your engine code...your transmission code should be either FQ3 for the 2.86 or F83 for the 3.05.

Something I found the other day...

QwIHRWSULRs

You cannot kill a Buick 3800. Crushed by a 20 ton (18,150 kg) bulldozer not once, but twice. Not only was it still able to start, but once they got the back end out of the dirt it was able to drive too. Little bit of demolition derby with a Saturn before the dozer crushed it. Tough *** engine.

Before anyone gets offended, I'm only posting this to show how tough the Buick 3800 is...not to make any kind of statement about Top Gear's test on the Toyota Hilux like the guy does in this video.
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Bl0cks
10-24-2008, 10:18 PM
I wish I could say the same for my 3.8L Buick :/

LOL "Redneck gas tank in the passenger seat"

EVO9MR
10-24-2008, 10:35 PM
omg its Dave. Can't believe you watch them 2. Awesome! Did u see his mercedees turning on? Too bad its only running on a few cylinders :(

nfslover101
10-25-2008, 12:06 AM
I'm only posting this to show how tough the Buick 3800 is...

I think that really goes for any 3800 motor. My mom had 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSE and that motor had balls and lasted even after trading it in, and that was around 200,000 miles on it. Now we have a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with the same motor, and its running great too.
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hondaman
10-25-2008, 12:11 AM
omg its Dave. Can't believe you watch them 2. Awesome! Did u see his mercedees turning on? Too bad its only running on a few cylinders :(

Yeah, I watch a lot of his videos at work while I'm supervising the night shift. I haven't seen that one yet though.

I think that really goes for any 3800 motor. My mom had 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSE and that motor had balls and lasted even after trading it in, and that was around 200,000 miles on it. Now we have a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with the same motor, and its running great too.

Oh well yeah, I mean any 3800 (post 86 or so when they got the 3800 designation, guess they hadn't perfected yours yet bl0cks D: ). But the 3800 originated from Buick, so it is often referred to as the Buick 3.8 or Buick 3800. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine
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MMD V8TwinTurbo
10-25-2008, 12:18 AM
That Buick is a nice sedan there & it's 3.8ltr V6, might be pretty similar to Aussie Commodores which is also partnered with GM.

Killua
10-25-2008, 07:27 PM
Haha, Davesfarm is the shit. :P They abused a LOT of that poor Buick... and the Saturn still ran fine after the demolition derby.

hondaman
10-31-2008, 10:11 PM
Well, I'm in Florida for a car club thing...lots of Bonnevilles/LeSabres/other 3800s here. My car is going to be getting some custom work and a lot of custom tuning. It will be able to downshift straight from 4-1 when I punch it, and it's MAF tables will better correspond to my mods, meaning I'll be making more power. Pictures and stuff to come later.
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Schaefft
11-01-2008, 07:37 AM
Haha, Davesfarm is the shit. :P They abused a LOT of that poor Buick... and the Saturn still ran fine after the demolition derby.

Oh yeah, did you see the Roadmaster Sedan? Sick shit. Man, poor cars. They should use Volkswagen or Kias instead:D

Mat_Carfreak
11-07-2008, 06:38 AM
Nice Buick & it must be a powerful big sedan.

hondaman
11-15-2008, 08:21 PM
Well, I've been back from the car club meet for a while now but haven't posted anything because I've been waiting to get a video...which I now have.

I got a custom tune which made a HUGE difference in how the car runs. I had my shift points readjusted, relearned MAF curve, skewed injectors (means they flow equally now), advanced timing (have to run premium now), eliminated torque management, advanced KR recovery rate, removed kick-down prevention (can now downshift directly from fourth to first gear, which you will see in the video), and reduced maximum KR allowed level.

Enough said, video time:

Be1_Ec0FB6U

That blip you hear when I punch it isn't it hitting another gear before downshifting into first, it has to do with TCC lock/unlock strategy at WOT which will be corrected at a later date. It does actually downshift directly from fourth to first.

Guess that's it for now. Either way I'm very happy. Car is much snappier with the tune, and generally runs better as well.
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Meastro444
11-16-2008, 03:58 AM
that is so damn good! i wish i haad a car like that!

Civic_Undercover
11-16-2008, 05:09 AM
Dang.... that's a lot of high-end torque you got going there! That tuning really helped, you can literally see the RPMs jump when you floor it!

t3ku
11-16-2008, 06:19 AM
Impressive work there honda, giving me ideas there.

Meastro444
11-16-2008, 07:24 AM
sorta double post,

but is that tune-up you did all that is needed to be able to let it shift at the redline (or change back to 1 when you push the throttle hard) when you floor it ? i have absolutely on experience in cars and its technology, so i am rather curious.

hondaman
11-16-2008, 01:03 PM
Thanks guys!

sorta double post,

but is that tune-up you did all that is needed to be able to let it shift at the redline (or change back to 1 when you push the throttle hard) when you floor it ? i have absolutely on experience in cars and its technology, so i am rather curious.

Pretty much. The power control module of the car controls just about everything related to engine operation, from transmission shifts to fuel trims and other engine management controls. It contains hundreds of parameters that can be adjusted, including the transmission shift points and kickdown lockout.
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Meastro444
11-16-2008, 01:55 PM
is the PCM for this car only?

or is it on any car nowadays? (as in after 1980 or so)

t3ku
11-16-2008, 05:06 PM
On my car that would be the ECU meastro44, as it controls most of what honda said and the rest have separate modules.

hondaman
11-16-2008, 06:38 PM
is the PCM for this car only?

or is it on any car nowadays? (as in after 1980 or so)

Starting sometime in the mid 1980s is when cars began having computers control some aspects of the engine, I think. They definitely were becoming so BY then anyway.

After that you get into OBD I vs OBD II. Cars manufactured prior to the mid 1990s were generally OBD I and I have less knowledge of. I do know that there's a lot less you can do with OBD I.

OBD II cars (such as mine) have a larger variety of parameters that can be modified, assuming the available tuning software will recognize the car's OS. HP Tuners was used on my car.
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Meastro444
11-19-2008, 01:17 PM
thanks Hondaman :) i appreciate it!

assuming the OBD I and II are the chips, are they interchangeable, or are they upgrade-able with minor modifications to sensors and such?

reason i asked is that i am very impressed with your car, and i am thinking of try that on a car (dont know what car) i will be owning ;).

hondaman
11-20-2008, 08:54 PM
thanks Hondaman :) i appreciate it!

assuming the OBD I and II are the chips, are they interchangeable, or are they upgrade-able with minor modifications to sensors and such?

reason i asked is that i am very impressed with your car, and i am thinking of try that on a car (dont know what car) i will be owning ;).

No problem!

OBD I and OBD II are actually the programming languages used by the computers in the cars. They also have different connectors (to connect devices or a scanner to).

There is also an OBD "1.5" which has a computer running on the OBD I language but uses an OBD II connector. These were made during the transition period between the two. Very difficult to do anything with.

It's not easy to convert from OBD I to OBD II...virtually impossible unless the same engine/drivetrain was offered in both OBD I and OBD II format over the years. I've heard of it being done, but not often. In that case it's probably easier to just get an OBD II car or send your OBD I PCM off to be professionally tuned, if there is a company that can do that for your car.

Something new!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303117.jpg

My Buick has just crossed 150,000 miles! (241,401.6 km)

No rebuilds, regular maintenance only. Car shifts super smooth (although I can change that with the push of a button) and holds excellent oil pressure. In the years I've owned it, I've only had to replace two things out of schedule. One being an alternator after over 140,000 miles of service, the other being a throttle position sensor after I fried it washing my engine (stupid). Previous owner's maintenance records report much the same.

The original driver's seat after 11 years and 150,000 miles of service, no rips, tears, or cracks...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303121.jpg

Looks like it's time to re-clean and condition the seat, though.

And the driver's side carpet. I know for sure it has never been professionally cleaned, for that matter I can't recall ever having even used cleaning agents on it at all. Regular vacuuming only. Probably because I'm such a butt about no food or drinks in this car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303122.jpg

And of course the paint...

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8175/s6301556up8.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5837/s6301557mx6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9512/s6301558kk6.jpg

(A month or two old, but it doesn't look any different now)

Even took a video just because...just a little bit of driving right after it crossed 150k.

k7Js0L3h55M

I'm wearing a leather jacket, that's the creaking you hear...not the car.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...I could drop an entirely new drivetrain in this car and I'd never notice the difference as far as reliability or smoothness are concerned. Everything, and I do mean everything...accessories, electronic goodies and all...still work exactly as they were designed to from the factory. This is by far the highest quality, most dependable car I've ever owned or driven. And this is coming from a former Honda owner. My Accord couldn't hold a candle to how well this car has held up, and it was just as well cared for. The list of things that didn't work on that car was long.

Looking forward to the next 150,000 miles...
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Bl0cks
11-20-2008, 11:12 PM
Thats awesome.

hondaman
12-04-2008, 11:44 PM
I had posted this in Imprezzive's thread...but I'll post it in mine to prevent hijacking.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/Girlsinterior.jpg

What can I say...girls love leather!
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hondaman
12-11-2008, 11:38 PM
Put some mini foglights on the Buick. They're pretty bright despite their size.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303216.jpg

Will take more pictures in daylight once I get my car clean. There is a car show this weekend and I'll probably take the Buick to it again.
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Meastro444
12-12-2008, 09:15 AM
nice! looks really good!

hondaman
12-15-2008, 11:31 PM
Thanks!

Went on a mini-shoot the other day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303220.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303221.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303222.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303226.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303227.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303228.jpg
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EVO9MR
12-16-2008, 05:49 PM
nice pics bro. are you a pro photgrapher? anyway is there any club meets are mods coming down our way???

Apocalypse
12-17-2008, 12:07 AM
nice pics bro. are you a pro photgrapher? anyway is there any club meets are mods coming down our way???

IMO, the car is tooo nice. :D

F.R.
12-17-2008, 12:58 AM
is that your house hondaman?

FEAR
12-17-2008, 03:04 PM
Very nice. The car really fits in with the house in the background.

hondaman
01-03-2009, 03:48 PM
Thanks for the comments guys. ;)

Something new, for both cars...

I bought a Scangauge II. It can be moved between cars, so I just wrap the cable around the steering column and tuck it out of sight, then put the actual gauge in the ashtray. Works well. But because I will be moving it often I probably won't devise a permanent mounting system in either car. I just change the engine displacement and gauge backlight to match whatever car I'm in and go from there.

It can measure:

* Horsepower
* Torque
* Fuel Consumption Rate to 1/100th per gallon/liter
* Vehicle speed (MPH)
* Fuel Economy
* Cost Per Mile/Cost Per Trip
* Manifold Pressure (not available on some vehicles)
* Battery Voltage
* Engine Load
* Coolant Temperature
* Throttle Position
* Intake Air Temperature
* Ignition Timing
* Engine Speed (RPM)
* O2 Sensor Data
* Fuel Trim
* Hybrid Battery Charge (for Toyota Prius and Ford Escape)
* Maximum Speed
* Average Speed
* Maximum Coolant Temperature
* Maximum RPM
* Driving Time
* Driving Distance
* Fuel Used
* Fuel Cost
* Trip Fuel Economy
* Distance to Empty
* Time to Empty
* Fuel to Empty
* Knock retard
* Transmission fluid temperature

And more...

It can also read and clear check engine codes.

I generally drive it around with these four gauges displayed. RPM, MPG, instantaneous horsepower, and TPS (throttle position sensor). It reads on a scale of 0 to 100 (basically percent throttle) that I am giving the car.

At idle:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303329.jpg

Cruising on a level surface at 50 mph:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303325.jpg

Cruising on a level surface at 80 mph:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303327.jpg

Discoveries:

Best mileage seems to occur at about 55-60 mph where I can get about 45 mpg.

Takes about 15% to 20% throttle to accelerate on the interstate at a good rate (faster than the average driver).

I generally accelerate away from stoplights at less than 15% and this gets me moving faster than most.

Peak horsepower is around 236. BUT with 9 degrees of KR. KR stands for knock retard. Every degree of KR corresponds with a reduction in timing and an associated loss of a few horsepower. I believe that by switching from midgrade to premium only fuel I can eliminate most of this. There may be some other underlying issues that I need to look into.

I have posted one for the truck as well.

06FERRARIENZO
01-03-2009, 05:03 PM
that is one cool buick.

Tubaman
01-03-2009, 06:44 PM
holy crap 45 mpg!!! thats crazy good!!!

hondaman
01-04-2009, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the comments guys. :)

Good mileage is pretty attainable with these cars. Around town mileage is on par or better than most V6 sedans (I can get around 22 mpg if I'm easy on it) but the highway mileage is as good or better than a lot of economy cars. My friend's 97 Pontiac Sunfire 2.2 3 speed auto gets worse highway mileage, though better in the city so in the end it works out that he's still using less fuel than I am. On a highway trip that would be different, though.
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hondaman
01-05-2009, 09:21 PM
New acceleration video, sort of. Using the ScanGauge. I got up to about 90 mph accelerating up an interstate onramp.

This is actually part of a larger video where I was diagnosing some KR issues. It's set to update as fast as possible, but even so it's not meant to replace an actual speedometer as it skips 5 mph at a time once I start flooring it. RPM is in the top left, KR in the bottom left, MPH in the top right, engine load in the bottom right. Didn't have horsepower displayed as I was diagnosing KR at the time. Once I get those issues resolved I'll post another one with instantaneous horsepower too.

Oddly enough, this is how the car sounds from the backseat. Sounds a little different (more muffled) than it does in the front. Oh, and you can hear that 4-1 downshift again.

I still really enjoy that sudden kick back into the seat when it downshifts. ;) It can actually be seen in this video, when the car downshifts then again when it shifts up.

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hondaman
02-14-2009, 04:19 PM
Car show today, so the car is all cleaned up and stuff. I'm hoping I actually got the right time today.

Only thing new with the car is a solid engine mount. I had one wear out so I replaced it with one of a tougher material that doesn't give as much. It helps performance slightly in that the engine doesn't flex as much in the engine bay during takeoff but I primarily got it for longevity. All the stuff I've done to the car has been hell on this particular mount over time, it was practically torn to pieces. It transfers vibrations more but it's kinda cool feeling the power. No pictures of that, but I do have some pics I got just a while ago while the car is all clean.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303410.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303415.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303417.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303422.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303423.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303424.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303434.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303435.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303436.jpg

My viewpoint...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/hondaman94/S6303430.jpg

More pics later if I have got the time right for the car show today...
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Tubaman
02-14-2009, 04:24 PM
hahahaha i like how you even have a handicap license plate:D

Imprezzive
02-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Very nice, Dan. How many miles does it have currently?

Bl0cks
02-14-2009, 04:46 PM
Very nice pics. That is one very clean and organized engine bay.