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Azrael
01-05-2008, 10:08 PM
i figured i post some pics of my current car

1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS but in name only

price as purchased $1800 usd
with 88K now has 121k

Engine 305 Ci "5.0L" V8 with Tuned Port Injection
dynoed 192 hp to the rear wheels @4600 rpm
310 lb ft of torque @ 3300
6000 rpm red-line
ran a best of 15.1 @ 91 mph with major wheel spin off the line
top speed just above 145 don't ask how i know :evil:

Transmission - 4L60 4 speed automatic with overdrive B&M shift kit and upgraded to Corvette servos

Brakes - Corvette C4 Dual piston pbr calipers along with 12 inch rotors front
Camaro Pbr single piston Pbr calipers with 11.9 inch rotors out back

Drive train 3.23 rear gears with auburn limited slip "posi" and aluminum ls1 Drive-shaft

Exhaust edelbrock TES headers for dual catalysts converters for better flow but still emissions legal
Flow master force II 3" exhaust for Dual catalysts soon upgrading the muffler to the American thunder style

Suspension- 1LE springs front and rear
Kyb front struts and rear shocks
1LE front and rear sway bars 36mm solid bar up front 24mm solid bar rear
TDS wonder-bar aka Steering brace
boxed Lower Control Arms and Pan-hard Rod "track bar"
all rubber bushings replaced with polyurethane

Wheels
1991 Z28/RS option 16 by 8 inch holding 245/50/zr16 cooper tires

Exterior
iroc hood and spoiler
dealer installed C&C t-tops pretty rare option to find these
fog-lights and "Camaro" fog light grille
headlight pockets painted black
custom painted stripes on ground effects and doors where there when i bought it
Interior
Grey leather split folding rear seats
145MPH speedometer and 7000 Rpm tachometer
power windows and locks power hatch
full working Air conditioning

audio
Corvette Delco/Bose AM/FM/CD 100 watts per channel
Sony Explode 2ways 6x9 s rear
Infinity 3 way 4x6 s dash
Bose 5 1/4 s kick panels act like mini subs for the front
Bose 5 1/4 hatch act like mini subs for the back
may not rumble the next car over but its almost flawless in sound quality and has all the bass needed for what i listen to

t3ku
01-05-2008, 10:10 PM
Mmm nice..

Azrael
01-05-2008, 10:17 PM
the rest of the pics

Kracka
01-05-2008, 10:18 PM
http://ls1gto.com/forums/images/smilies/mullet.gif

jk

Is that the car with the TPI setup on it now?

Azrael
01-05-2008, 10:32 PM
mind you my girlfreind named the pics lol

KF72
01-05-2008, 10:45 PM
You can go drive your "Shitty Camaro" if that's what you think. I'll say the opposite.

Vanexroxics
01-06-2008, 02:57 AM
Shit..that's one of a hell ride...

I demand rear azz pics =P

osa_mah91
01-06-2008, 05:07 AM
perfecto!!!!

Texhnolith
01-06-2008, 09:12 AM
nice car. got to love the old camaro's

ricersHA
01-06-2008, 11:49 AM
the 3rd gens has always had that something about them i loved.A fellow 91 camaro here too.

Zipper
01-06-2008, 12:14 PM
Is a very nice car, i like the decals.

Killua
01-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Very nice...

Rally Master
01-07-2008, 09:50 PM
A Faction member who actually has a Camaro? UNPOSSIBLE!

Kracka
01-08-2008, 12:08 AM
A Faction member who actually has a Camaro? UNPOSSIBLE!

lolwut.

ive had 3 fbodies. so quiet, you.


...then i realized how slow they were.

Nik.
01-08-2008, 01:20 AM
Automatic gearbox?

You lazy shit.

:P

Rally Master
01-08-2008, 07:28 AM
Automatic gearbox?

You lazy shit.

:P
This is the correct answer. :D

Kracka
01-08-2008, 01:08 PM
Automatic gearbox?

You lazy shit.

:P

He doesnt have an excuse but the 5.7L cars never came in manual.

Azrael
01-08-2008, 09:21 PM
auto because the T-5 manual is junk and was maxxed out with a stock 305 tpis torque 300
that is the reason the 5speed was never placed behind the 350 345 torque
not to mention autos are far more consistant then manuals
gm autos have always been very well designed
5speeds in thirdgens have always been known as base models or there still stock

if i where to put a 5speed behind my current engine it would break the gears like glass
pics of my 1st car 90 Rx-7 currently non running blown motor about 4 years ago

update tommarro ill be adding a set of edelbrock TES headers should open up the exhaust alot more

Azrael
01-20-2008, 05:56 AM
i installed the edelbrock TES headers major difference cant wait for better weather to get the track again and dyno to see the actual numerical difference one thing i can say i smoked a Nissan 350z before the weather turned to crap

Rally Master
01-20-2008, 12:16 PM
350Z are really slow actually. I've seen a naturally aspirated Subaru Impreza 2.5RS with exhaust mods beat one in straight acceleration. I like the RX-7. FCs are hot.

FEAR
01-20-2008, 03:45 PM
350Z are really slow actually. I've seen a naturally aspirated Subaru Impreza 2.5RS with exhaust mods beat one in straight acceleration. I like the RX-7. FCs are hot.

Yeah, its 0-60 in ~6 sec isn't all that fast for a car of its caliber. A 300ZX TT would outright beat it, despite being turbocharged.

Azrael
01-20-2008, 08:39 PM
ya the 350z only run mid to high 14 sec runs at the track
point is my car came from the factory with 170 hp and 255 torque flywheel
running a best of a 16.1 @ 84 mph with a 1.9 60 foot

with only the install of headers and tuned port injection i am able to beat a modern high revving performance car with 300 hp and 260 torque

they also cost 28,000 new and that at the cheapest
so my mildly modded 91 can keep up with and beat something that is considered a modern performance car
all of my mods for the most part are factory parts from a 91 305 Z28 a car that for years has been called the slow generation of camaros
my only mods that make my current Rs any faster then a stock 91 Z28 is really the headers i just installed all the other parts came on these cars already or are unrelated to how fast it is

i know the car isn't a 500 hp supercar like a z06 but a 350z is still considered quick

and yet i still get 26 mpg on the freeway and around 18 city

hell the 300zx z32 was one this cars competition back in 91 being that i can beat its Successor id say gm built damn good car in 91
when ever i go to car shows i know people just pass by my car as its not a flashy 4th gen or classic 2nd gen but they will go stare at the stock 350z or riced out civic that can barley pull its own weight

pic of the civic mind this was when we where at work not the car show but
older civic that could barley idle as the iac was messed up had a integra type R engine installed ceramic header and the loudest most annoying exhaust Ive heard by Greddy what you cant see in the pic is the carbon fiber hood that barley fit correctly or the half gutted interior for weight reduction or its overkill 18 inch rims kid swore up and down his car ran low 14s
but even with a modern 200hp B18C Vtec engine and 5speed it couldn't even touch my car in a race even with him power shifting but yet all of his Friends swore that car was just about the fastest car they have ever been in
just because something feels fast doesn't mean it is
my girlfriends 95 Pontiac grand prix feels fast but it runs 17.5s at best aka slow

i really feel people don't give this generation of camaro the respect it deserves the only time you ever hear fast in a description of a 3rd gen is when people are attempting to sell one

when i race 4th gen lt1 cars ill take them till 60 mph pretty easy but yet ill lose in a 1/4 mile to them

the other thing i love is how people talk up the ford 302 because it made a lighter weight mustang fast
and they down talk a Chevy 305 i know my current engine is putting more power to the ground then a "5.0" mustang dose but when i race them its ether a very close race or they beat me up top
but hey my cars weighs bare min 300lbs more then them and thats comparing a low optioned camaro vs a fully loaded mustang
the stock 5.0 ford made from 205 -225hp and 275-300 torque
and gms 5.0 tpi made from 205 -230 hp and 295- 300 torque
and not to mention ford gave there engine true dual exhaust and high flowing manifolds
where gm use poor flowing manifolds and a ypipe to convert to single pipe

but fords engine gets all the performance credit
comparing just engines it looks like really gm did a better engine but like i said earlier gm put it in a heavier car that handled better ford put theres into a smaller sized frame and shorter wheel base handling suffered but allowed the car to accelerate faster from being lighter
ford did have a few better ideas then gm like the base lx could be had with top output engine where as camaro rs only be had with a low output tbi 305
had gm gave the rs the tpi option i believe we would have be hearing alot more about the gm 305 then ford 302 btw 302 is really 4.9 L but ford didn't figured they would call it 5.0 to make it sound better who would want a car called 4.9L right lol
really why this generation is called slow is many from the amount of base models with low output v8s gm sold
when these to cars met on the streets more often then not the mustang was racing a tbi rs or iroc i know for a fact a factory 27 k mile 305tpi Iroc makes short work of stock similar mileage "5.0" mustangs
i suppose im done ranting

Azrael
01-21-2008, 06:13 AM
after doing some looking up my header install should should provide 6-10 rwhp and 10-15 rwtq

i with a better launch i should be around the 14.6 mark in the 1/4
been haveing horried 2.80 60 foot times mainly do to wheel spin
the stock 187 heads i have make loads of torque off the line if traction wasnt an issue in these cars then it wouldnt be a problem
most people dislike these heads as they run out of steam around 5000 rpm
but thats also where tpi makes its power
im gonna have to put lca relocation brackets on soon apperently if i want to hook
on a side note a freind just had his lt-1 formula dynoed its stock other then a catback and air intake elbow but he put down 238 hp and 280 tq
not bad as its also an auto but came from the factory with 275 hp and 325tq
all in all im not that far behind him power wise
i suppose my little 305 isnt so bad after all

decided even with it being only 17 degrees out id go take some pics but turns out the camera is set to low res

Synthecide
01-21-2008, 01:52 PM
LOL @ the Civic!...haha what a rocket :P.

Nice car Azrael, I've always liked the Camaros from that particular time.

Reptillian
01-21-2008, 02:40 PM
Beautiful car, Azrael. I like the paint, the look, the everything.

Azrael
01-21-2008, 09:54 PM
oh but its an SI lol
figured post some pics of my last camaro i took it to chicago to meet mecha 1st week i had it averaged 36 mpg on that trip
it was a 3.1 v6 but lots of mods full catback 2.8 v6 headers ported plenum
ws6 swaybars from a trans am
i still miss that car

Vanexroxics
01-22-2008, 07:50 AM
Looks great in Black, shame you don't have it.

Killua
01-22-2008, 04:04 PM
Your Camaro is pretty sweet. I'm wondering, there are aftermarket "covers" for Camaro headlights? I think that would improve gas mileage a little.

Azrael
01-30-2008, 10:48 PM
my camaro stock has a drag Coefficiant of 0.33 a McLaren F1 is 0.32 with head light covers i would only drop to a .32 or so girlfriends firebird has a drag coefficiant of 0.31 hows that for areo dynamic
but really when your already this areo dynamic im not gonna get much better mileage most of my driveing is below 80 mph and below 70 aero dynamics dont help much

Rally Master
01-31-2008, 07:44 AM
Looks hot in black yo.

shaunawyong
01-31-2008, 07:55 AM
Beautiful Camaro im jealous. Btw nice arm chair

Azrael
02-29-2008, 02:12 PM
well was gonna post more but my qouta is exceeded

Sinister
02-29-2008, 02:18 PM
dont attach link via imageshack or photobucket or something

MMD V8TwinTurbo
10-20-2008, 01:59 AM
I like your Camaro & it's cool. I hope I could buy Camaro at a bargain price, but I can't seem to find a good one yet, because there's not much of them in Australia.:(

2FAST4U
10-21-2008, 02:46 PM
but fords engine gets all the performance credit
comparing just engines it looks like really gm did a better engine but like i said earlier gm put it in a heavier car that handled better ford put theres into a smaller sized frame and shorter wheel base handling suffered but allowed the car to accelerate faster from being lighter
ford did have a few better ideas then gm like the base lx could be had with top output engine where as camaro rs only be had with a low output tbi 305
had gm gave the rs the tpi option i believe we would have be hearing alot more about the gm 305 then ford 302 btw 302 is really 4.9 L but ford didn't figured they would call it 5.0 to make it sound better who would want a car called 4.9L right lol
really why this generation is called slow is many from the amount of base models with low output v8s gm sold
when these to cars met on the streets more often then not the mustang was racing a tbi rs or iroc i know for a fact a factory 27 k mile 305tpi Iroc makes short work of stock similar mileage "5.0" mustangs


My Thunderbird is a few hundred pounds heavier than a Mustang, and it has a stock 5.0HO in it, true 2.25in true duals (BUT it has 4 cats...for now). My dad has an 85 Trans Am with a TPI 305. My 5.0 runs a whole lot stronger, and is an all around better engine. The 305 has a little more low end grunt, but once it gets rolling, my 5.0 blows it away. The 305 just dies out once it gets past like 4,000-4,500rpm. Both me and my dad prefer the Ford 302 over the Chevy 305. Awesome car though. I still like em. Dad's T/A has the WS6 suspension package and handles really well.

ricersHA
10-21-2008, 05:50 PM
I like your Camaro & it's cool. I hope I could buy Camaro at a bargain price, but I can't seem to find a good one yet, because there's not much of them in Australia.:(

there is ebay motors

MMD V8TwinTurbo
10-21-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't use ebay though & usually buy things off the internet.

Azrael
10-28-2008, 08:20 AM
i guess its time for a small update on this car its currently in the middle of a heart transplant

oh and 2FAST4U compare apples to apples not apples to oranges

your compareing a 302 ford with a factory high lift cam to a 305 chevy with low lift cam

the engine im putting in came from a 91 z28 its another 305 but has a nice cam from the factory

your dads trans am as a 215 hp 275 tq 305 it may be high compression but it lacks duration on the cam something you 302 has also that trans am also has a single cat exhaust
ford opted for high lift high duration cams for a factory setup anyway
compared to chevys cam selection of low lift small duration it was a setup for makeing tq not hp

to compare apples to apples compare my new 305 to your 302
your fathers ta uses
LB9 V89.5:15.0 (305)215@4400275@3200TPIEngineGM P/NInt.Exh.Int.Exh.Separation1985
305 AT
14088843
.403
.415
202
206
114.5


my 305 uses buts its also a roller cam 305
10111773*
.413
.428
202
207
114.5
9.3:15.0 (305)230@4200300@3200

Engine:Type "High Output"SEFI 302 V8
Bore x stroke: 4.00 x 3.00
Displacement: 302 cubic inches/ 5.0 liters
Compression: 9.0:1
Horsepower: 215 @ 4200rpm
Torque :285 @ 3300rpm

Stock 5.0L HO cam advertised specs are 266/266 duration, 0.444"/0.444" lift.

note the extra lift and duration of the ford cam

when i go into desktop dyno and use those same cam specs in a 305 chevy i get
265hp @5500
288tq @ 3200
and it shows power still being made past 236 hp @ 6500
compare to 242 and 312 for stock cam specs

but same cam in a ford 302 get 237 @ 4300 and 281 @ 3100
basicly with same cams the 305 becomes a far better engine
but thats most likely the reason more people prefer to build small block chevys

here desktop dyno 90 302 ford sfi 4.9 L vs 90 305 chevy tpi 5.0 L last pic really even with gm useing a much smaller cam the 305 still makes the same amount of power just a tick lower kinda shoots down the whole 302s are the best and 305s sucks agrument

MuscleCarFreak
10-28-2008, 12:39 PM
nice engine there Az.
you know theres only going to be like one or two of us that will read that and understand it right?
Reading Lift and Duration is even alittle complicated to me... lol

nfslover101
10-28-2008, 02:06 PM
Very nice car indeed, but may I ask, What is the difference between a IROC-Z and a RS? I forget which is better...
To anyone that dosn't know what a IROC-Z is, I shall post my friends, which was sold recently:
http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01209/51/78/1209558715_l.jpg

They only thing I could ever tell is the decal on the side and thats it. Anyway, this is my favorite body style of the Camaro.
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MMD V8TwinTurbo
10-28-2008, 09:47 PM
Very nice car indeed, but may I ask, What is the difference between a IROC-Z and a RS? I forget which is better...
To anyone that dosn't know what a IROC-Z is, I shall post my friends, which was sold recently:
http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01209/51/78/1209558715_l.jpg

They only thing I could ever tell is the decal on the side and thats it. Anyway, this is my favorite body style of the Camaro.

Nice, I like it too.

GTR
10-28-2008, 10:03 PM
money pit's lookin good.

Apocalypse
10-29-2008, 12:33 AM
mmm... The Camaro's NICE :D

Kracka
10-29-2008, 02:37 AM
Very nice car indeed, but may I ask, What is the difference between a IROC-Z and a RS? I forget which is better...
To anyone that dosn't know what a IROC-Z is, I shall post my friends, which was sold recently:
http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01209/51/78/1209558715_l.jpg

They only thing I could ever tell is the decal on the side and thats it. Anyway, this is my favorite body style of the Camaro.

Alot of things are different.

My IROC-Z had a different rear end from the factory, aswell as an aluminum driveshaft. tuned port 5.7L (RS's got either 2.8L(3.1L in 91-92) V6 or a 5.0L V8) the suspension is also different in some cars and certain options were different in each car. (350 cars never had T-Tops, and were all Auto) all the Z28s/IROCs untill 1990 had different steering wheels too.

nfslover101
10-29-2008, 04:16 AM
Alot of things are different.

My IROC-Z had a different rear end from the factory, aswell as an aluminum driveshaft. tuned port 5.7L (RS's got either 2.8L(3.1L in 91-92) V6 or a 5.0L V8) the suspension is also different in some cars and certain options were different in each car. (350 cars never had T-Tops, and were all Auto) all the Z28s/IROCs untill 1990 had different steering wheels too.

Thank you for clearing that up for me, my friends was a 1990, bought for $1500 and sold it for $500, needed a lot of work, but it ran ok.
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Mat_Carfreak
11-07-2008, 06:05 AM
Yep Camaro's are nice & powerful. I like the looks too & good luck with it.

Speedfast
11-25-2008, 06:59 PM
Nice Camaro man and it's engine must be mad. Do you drive it often?

Azrael
12-26-2008, 08:16 AM
i drive every day when its not snowing currently im the middle of completing an engine swap for it.
i am currently driving my wagon

kracka
irocs can be had with 5.0 tbi 87-89
and also lg4 85-86 and l69 carbed engines 85 only
85-92 5.0 tpi and 5.7tpi 87-92
87-89 5.7 cars could have T-tops 90-92 couldnt something to much body flex 90+
all 5.7 cars are autos

overally the iroc package was decals and stiffer springs and shocks and bigger sway bars

Jon 944S2
12-26-2008, 08:34 AM
I'm liking that very much I've always been a fan of those style Camaros but I know near enough nothing about them.

Azrael
05-16-2009, 12:52 AM
figured id post an update about this car no pics since windows 7 wont let me use my camera

car is back on the road no track times yet still breaking the engine in but im welling to bet i could beat my best time from last year at 3/4 throttle

engine is pulling hard all threw the range
when i pulled the old engine i cracked the bellhouseing so i had to get a replacment for my 4l60
so i put an 85 700r4 in freind hooked me up with a free trans :) all the gears work great but i think ive hit the tq limit on that trans it can take everything but wide open throttle shifts who says 305s are slugs

i just cant wait for the 1st 1000 miles to be up so i can open it up more

Azrael
07-28-2009, 02:37 AM
got to the track finally :)
14.7 @ 98.2 1st run bad wheel spin
14.4 @ 94.2 2nd run hooked pretty good but spun kicked a bit on the 1-2 shift
14.2 @ 96.9 3rd and best run i let the car cool down and ran the wagon for 2 runs

wagon ran
14.8 @ 91.1 mph 1st run
14.6 @ 92.3 mph 2nd

sadly ive lost posi again in the camaro but ill fix that this winter

Jon 944S2
07-28-2009, 03:18 AM
That's not bad times what was it running standard/previously?

How much power is in these camaros?

Azrael
07-31-2009, 11:52 PM
last year with the old engine ran 15.4 @ 84

GTR
08-01-2009, 01:51 AM
got to the track finally :)
14.7 @ 98.2 1st run bad wheel spin
14.4 @ 94.2 2nd run hooked pretty good but spun kicked a bit on the 1-2 shift
14.2 @ 96.9 3rd and best run i let the car cool down and ran the wagon for 2 runs

wagon ran
14.8 @ 91.1 mph 1st run
14.6 @ 92.3 mph 2nd

sadly ive lost posi again in the camaro but ill fix that this winter

Holy shit dude that's ****in sick...

You think I can get into high 13s with mine?

Azrael
09-19-2009, 09:47 PM
im sure you can