View Full Version : "The Rallye" - 1988 Peugeot 205 Rallye


Sander
09-08-2008, 05:10 AM
Even though I had not properly introduced this car here, some of the members here already know I have it. Nevertheless, here's a proper introduction into the car that started my love for the Peugeot Rallye editions...

First, an introduction to the Peugeot Rallye editions...

Peugeot has been active in rally sport for quite some time now, in various classes. Group A, WRC, Group N etc., and has been quite succesful at it. In the eighties, Peugeot was very succesful with the 205 T16, a car that looks a bit like a standard 205, but is very different from it's normal street versions. But Peugeot also took part in lower classes of rally sport. For one of the lower classes, they created a 205 edition with a 1.3 litre engine, equipped with double Weber carburators. They needed this car to be homologated, which means Peugeot had to sell a similar car with similar engine to regular customers. So the 205 Rallye was born in 1988... The 205 Rallye is basicly a standard 205 base model, fitted with Gti suspension, a 1.3 litre engine with the double Weber carbs. No luxury, no leather, no electric stuff, only stuff that you need to go fast, especially round corners :)

The 1.3 engine delivers just above 100bhp at high revs (over 7000rpm I believe). This specific model was sold in only a handful of countries, like France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain I believe. It was produced from 1988 until 1991.

Other countries got different Rallye versions, based on different models/engines. The UK for example has the slowest 205 Rallye, based on a 205 1.4 XS, lacking the Weber carbs and producing about 75bhp if I'm not mistaken. It looks quite different too. In Germany, the 205 Rallye looked the same as the original one, but had a 1.9i engine from a Gentry, producing about the same bhp as the original, but with quite a different characteristic.

In the Netherlands, the 205 Rallye has become quite hard to find. Some people have even started building replica's, based on Gti's or other versions... The occasional Rallye on sale always needs attention on some level, good ones are almost impossible to find for sale. In France, there are more, but quite expensive.

After the 205 Rallye, Peugeot also created the 106 Rallye in 1.3 (phase 1) or 1.6 (phase 2) editions. Both are injection models and both also produce around 100bhp. The 1.6 has more torque offcourse, but is slightly heavier. I onwed 2 phase 2 106 Rallyes in the past.

Enough history, on to my 205 Rallye

As said, I used to drive 106 Rallyes as a daily car. It's a fun car, quite reliable and affordable. But it's not as pure as the 205 Rallye and it doesn't sound nearly as good as the Weber carbs do... Unfortunately, the carbs make the car less reliable, making it less suited for daily use. But, as I have the luxury of driving a company car, I'm not dependant on the Rallye anymore... So I decided to go shopping for a 205 Rallye early this year.

In my search, I came across one that, on first sight, looks to be mistreated quite a bit and not worth getting. But, on closer inspection, I noticed the body is quite good, the engine looked to be in good shape and the car was pretty standard. So I bought it... Looking back, not the smartest move I made... More on that later.

Although the car did not run well, all pointed towards the carbs as being the source of the problems. There were leaks in the rubbers and the carbs basicly needed some specialist adjustments. So, I drove the car home, noticing that the 5th gear wouldn't stick. Also, the rear brakes appeared to be broken, but the front brakes were pretty good fortunately.

The previous owner completely stripped out the interior and put 2 bucket seats in it. Fortunately, he kept the original interior, which I got with the car and is going back in.

So, after I got the car home, I started making plans on getting the car back in shape. I ordered parts (the rubbers were mighty expensive though, over 200 euro for one double Weber and there's 2 of them...), and contacted a garage that would be doing the technical overhaul.

A couple of months ago I brought the car to the garage with a list of things needed to be done. As it was a side-project, there was no rush and they took their time. About 3 weeks ago, the car was supposed to be ready, they were working on the carbs until they discovered that the engine wasn't as good as it looked... It started leaking oil quite a bit. It turned out part of the engine was completely worn out and needed to be revised or replaced... Costing big bucks...

Well, I was shocked... Not only was the car going to cost even more money than it already had, it was going to take even longer before it was going to be at least drivable.

But, things like this can have a positive side: instead of revising the old 1.3 engine, I decided to go for a different engine, a 1.6. Combining this with the carbs is fairly straight forward, as the 1.3 and 1.6 are pretty much the same... The 1.6 engine will produce more power and more torque, making the car quite bit faster than stock. A power increase of 10-15% should be possible, torque will increae even more.

So, that's where it stands now... The 1.6 engine has been delivered at the garage (taken from a Citroen Saxo) and rebuilding will start next week... I can't wait till it's finished!!

Finally, offcourse, a couple of pics:

The car at the previous owner, not looking to good at first sight:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/2796-2/IMG_3405+_Large_.JPG

The car one week later when picking it up, I brought a long some proper rims:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/2818-2/Picture030.jpg

The car in it's natural environment :D
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/2821-2/Picture033.jpg

The interior with the bucket seats (now gone, a standard seat is mounted currently) and half a dashboard:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/2845-2/IMG_3417.JPG

The car in it's current condition:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/3050-1/rallye_eh.jpg

I hope the garage will have the technical aspects of the car done by the end of the month. When it's back home, I'll start rebuilding the original interior and somewhat restoring the exterior to it's original state.

I'll keep this thread updated :)

Rally Master
09-08-2008, 05:50 AM
Promising looking little car. Not a big fan of the spoiler in the back because well...it looks kind of puny. Not sure you can remove that or not though. Rest of it looks very good and hot damn, a rally car for the streets. Win.

Sander
09-08-2008, 05:52 AM
The rear spoiler will be removed, don't worry :) I don't like it and it's in bad shape as well...

GTR
09-08-2008, 07:31 AM
That's awesome dude, I love 205. Very agile, has pretty good handling and easy to drive.

Peugeot 205 and 405 (especially 405) were 2 of the best looking cars ever made. I think the 205 was actually designed by Pininfarina. I remember the 405 we had in Iran. I'd go sit in the yard just to stare at it. So effing hawt.

Not as much as I like to stare at my Impala though. hawtness redefined. ;)

Killua
09-08-2008, 03:36 PM
HOT! Old Peugeots are pretty cool, and that is a 205 Rallye... Mmm...

By the way, is the 1.6 Saxo engine you're getting similar to the Peugeot 106's 1.6?
I'm not too informed about French car makers, who owns who and what relations there are.

Sage
09-08-2008, 05:14 PM
pure sex. i LOVE, and i mean LOVE, the old 205's. yours is brilliant.

damn dude, that is one sexy piece of hot *** :)

FEAR
09-08-2008, 08:40 PM
Damn, that is one hot little hatch. Any idea what kind of power and handling related mods are you looking at after the rebuild?

(But IMO... your old Mini > your other hot hatches. XD)

Sander
09-08-2008, 11:56 PM
HOT! Old Peugeots are pretty cool, and that is a 205 Rallye... Mmm...

By the way, is the 1.6 Saxo engine you're getting similar to the Peugeot 106's 1.6?
I'm not too informed about French car makers, who owns who and what relations there are.

De 106 and Saxo are basicly the same cars. They look a bit different, but technically wise, they're the same. Citroen is owned by Peugeot, that's why :)

Damn, that is one hot little hatch. Any idea what kind of power and handling related mods are you looking at after the rebuild?

(But IMO... your old Mini > your other hot hatches. XD)

When the rebuild is complete, I will be focussing on handling mods first, like different suspension (probably Bilstein shocks with something like H&R or Eibach springs, lowering the car about 3cm), strutt braces and maybe upgraded brakes. That'll probably be next year though. Also, a custom exhaust system with 4-2-1 exhaust manifold is high up on my wish list.

After that, I'll probably have the car resprayed (in it's original color offcourse) to get it in to top condition.

As for the Mini: it's a completely different car. The Peugeot is more of a performance hot hatch, whereas the Mini is more of a classic cruiser.

Jaguara_18
09-09-2008, 12:30 AM
Very, very nice car, Sander. looks well raised for it's age.

Driv3r
09-09-2008, 12:55 AM
Cute little Pug! :D

PrivetDan_14
09-09-2008, 04:03 AM
A pug is a small dog with a sturdy posture and a broad face.

Much like the Peugeot 205! A small car with a powerful and (some sort of) muscular appearance.
I found out Peugeots are usually nicknamed as "Pugs" after I saved a pic of a Peugeot 207 from the internet, the default file name was 16NewPug_m_m. I don't know if that's a typo of "Peug" or done on purpose:\

Pugs (the dog and Peugeot) are pretty cute for their size!

Sander
09-09-2008, 04:18 AM
Didn't even know there was a dog breed with that name :P I though Pug was just short for Peugeot (Peugeot -> Peug -> Pug)... Never too old to learn it seems :P

PrivetDan_14
09-09-2008, 04:41 AM
Then who told you that the Peugeot is "The Pug"?:o

By the way, judging by the people in the background of your images, I thought you're British (the owner looks European), just to Find out you're really Dutch! (Don't talk about my location in my profile, It's a nation based on my novel;))

F.Y.I. Pugs are probably mistaken for bulldogs because of their faces. Pugs have Black, Fawn (Tan like color) or even "silver" (the rare one) fur, and they have black faces. They're smaller than bulldogs. I like Pugs (although I've never touched one) that's why I know these!

FEAR
09-09-2008, 01:50 PM
As for the Mini: it's a completely different car. The Peugeot is more of a performance hot hatch, whereas the Mini is more of a classic cruiser.

Perhaps, but don't forget, the Minis did win quite a few rallies in its day (just like your 205). ;)


Anyhow, looking forward to those mods.

theo
09-09-2008, 07:45 PM
Wow. That is an awesome car.

I love the rubber on that ride, the wheels and tires look awesome on it.

/jealousy

-theo

Sander
09-16-2008, 01:56 PM
Little update... It turned out that the original gearbox doesn't fit on the 1.6 engine that's being built right now (pre-1991 gearbox-engine fitting is slightly different - old engine is from 1988, new one I'm not sure, but not older than 1995). So I searched for a different gearbox (most post-1991 205 and 106 gearboxes fit), but none of them really offered what I wanted: a short-ratio gearbox like the original one. Fortunately, only the exterior and mounting holes of the gearboxes changed in 1991, so I decided to have the old short-ratio gearbox transferred into the housing of a newer type gearbox :)

Went to visit the garage today to drop off the newer gearbox I got from someone and saw my car with it's engine ripped out... Quite a weird sight, the front all high up on it's wheels and when opening the bonnet, it's just one big gaping hole :P

The owner of the garage showed me why the old box didn't fit and we tried the one housing it seems to be fitting perfectly.

If all goes well, the engine will be back in the car by the end of the week!

Texhnolith
09-16-2008, 03:58 PM
Man we need to drag race sometime ;)

Sander
09-22-2008, 11:53 PM
Man we need to drag race sometime ;)

You'd probably win that easily. As long as there's no roundabouts or short corners in there ;)

The Rallye isn't that fast of the line and not that fast in straight line acceleration, but it makes up for that in handling, especially on small, twisty roads, it's excellent there.

As for the progress on the car: the engine is back in the car finally. Only the exhaust needs to be made fit, which is gonna be done today and then it's time to start the car for the first time with this engine!

Kracka
09-22-2008, 11:58 PM
There is a 405 forsale by my job...I keep wanting to just go and take a look at it and see if they've got a price listed.


...but i keep driving past it.

Texhnolith
09-23-2008, 12:49 AM
You'd probably win that easily. As long as there's no roundabouts or short corners in there ;)

The Rallye isn't that fast of the line and not that fast in straight line acceleration, but it makes up for that in handling, especially on small, twisty roads, it's excellent there.

As for the progress on the car: the engine is back in the car finally. Only the exhaust needs to be made fit, which is gonna be done today and then it's time to start the car for the first time with this engine!

Hence it be cool to test it out on a track :)
I'm planning some proper handeling upgrades for later tho ;)

Hope the engine purss nicely

Killua
09-23-2008, 06:51 PM
The first start, eh? Good luck, hope to see a video of it running. :D

Sander
09-26-2008, 02:15 AM
Well, I think I'll rename the car to "The Curse"... The 1.6 block which was supposed to be good, actually wasn't any better than the original 1.3 block :( Both have compression problems in the cilinders... So now, the 1.6 block will be revised completely, to make sure it's ok again.

This means it'll take more time before it's done, unfortunately :(

Sander
11-07-2008, 06:11 AM
Small update:
The engine has been taken apart again. We're currently looking for new pistons as they need replacement. They're pretty expensive however... In fact, original ones are not much cheaper than performance pistons, so we're looking into those. Would be nice to gain some extra power while we're add it.

As it stands, it will probably take a couple of months before it's done, but it'll be perfect!

Killua
11-07-2008, 05:17 PM
So the pistons were the only problem? Well, that's not too bad, hopefully it'll all come fine now. :thumbsup:

Sander
11-08-2008, 01:18 AM
The pistons in combination with the cylinders were the problem. The cylinders will be overhauled, the pistons replaced :)

Sander
12-21-2008, 03:27 AM
Not much news to report on the 205, progress is slow... :(

There is however some news on my previous 106 Rallye, which some of you may remember... I sold it to a good friend just over a year ago, who has upgraded the car on several levels. The latest (& greatest) update is an ITB setup (independent throttle bodies). It's currently being set up by a specialist, almost done, it's gonne put out more power and a lot more noise :P

We went to have a look yesterday, this is what the engine looks like:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/Tune-x/IMG_6664.jpg
At the back of the engine, you can see the 4 separate air filters, 1 for each cilinder. Above it is the injector rail.

We also got a little preview of the sound:
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Mind you: it didn't get past 3000-3500rpm yet as it's cold and not yet set up completely right. The engine can handle over 7500rpm...

This, combined with all the other mods done, will probably result in around 150bhp, which is almost 50% more than original. That amount of power in a car that ways about 800kgs is quite nice to say the least :P

Can't wait until it's back on the road.

Mr.Ramos
12-21-2008, 10:20 AM
That little motor sounds quite throaty, definitely not a sound you hear out of too many 4-cylinders.

Dr.DooM
12-21-2008, 10:44 AM
nice little car man!
wish i had a car lol

Killua
12-21-2008, 05:19 PM
Good to see your 106 is still alive and kicking, and I must say, it sounds beastly for such an engine. :D

appollo four fourty
02-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Love the rear spoiler.imo, Nice whip!

Sander
02-08-2009, 12:57 PM
I don't like the rear spoiler myself... And it's in poor condition as well. It's one of the first things that'll have to go when I get the car back (hopefully next month).

It's taking to G** D*** long unfortunately :(

Sander
05-09-2009, 03:28 PM
It's been quiet around my car for some time now, but there's finally news. I actually drove the car yesterday for about 10 miles!

The carbs have been set up at a specialist last week and it needed to get back to the garage that's working on it for me.. The engine is running perfectly now, better than ever and maybe better than original even. It's definately more powerful than ever, the exact figures will come later. It was a joy to drive, even though the front suspension is worn out (cornering is a bit scary at the moment). This will be fixed in the next few weeks and if all goes well, the car will be back home reasonably soon! Really can't wait!

As soon as it's back home, I'll start working on the in- and exterior, that needs quite a bit of work. I'll put 2 bucket seats in, with harnesses and later on even a rollcage, to add to the Rallye idea. Suspension will be upgraded, the car will be lowered about 5cm and will be a lot stiffer, and bigger brakes will be fitted at the front. Eventually, the car will get a full respray to finish it off, but that's probably gonna have to wait till next year. In August, the car will get it's first track-experience at the Zandvoort circuit here in the Netherlands.

This is how the engine looks atm:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4071-2/IMG_4142.JPG

The sound of the Webers with the K&N filters is truly amazing, very raw and agressive.

More news will follow :)

Texhnolith
05-09-2009, 03:56 PM
nice stuff sander :)
Whats happening on Zandvoort in august?

Should meet up again sometime, have some driving fun.. probably more fun then a Lanparty (damn thats a long time ago :P)

Killua
05-09-2009, 04:31 PM
Congrats, Sander! I was wating to hear that this car was running. :)

Sander
05-11-2009, 12:02 AM
nice stuff sander :)
Whats happening on Zandvoort in august?

Should meet up again sometime, have some driving fun.. probably more fun then a Lanparty (damn thats a long time ago :P)

Peugeot Gti Club has a 2-hour tracksession in August which I will be attending :)

Once the car is back home, we should definately meet. Lanparty LOL, that's like a different lifetime now :rolleyes:

Sander
06-28-2009, 02:01 AM
Update time, it's finally home!!!

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4094-2/IMG_4149.JPG
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4091-2/IMG_4148.JPG
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4085-2/IMG_4146.JPG
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4071-2/IMG_4142.JPG

It needs a lot of work still, but technically it's 100% ok now!!! Already drove 300km yesterday, the sound is sooo addictive :D

F.R.
06-28-2009, 02:18 AM
Wow that's a clean car. I like it. Addictive sound? Can you post some videos of your car :D

Zpectre
06-28-2009, 10:06 AM
This car is special. Take good care of it!!!

leontin
06-28-2009, 11:15 AM
I like it very much.
Even if it's small and tiny it is a nice car :rolleyes5.
Kill that spoiler :x.

F.R.
06-28-2009, 11:18 AM
I like it very much.
Even if it's small and tiny it is a nice car :rolleyes5.
Kill that spoiler :x.

The spoiler looks good on the car :D

Sander
06-28-2009, 12:25 PM
The spoiler will be taken off, I don't like it and it's in poor condition.

I already replaced the rear bumper:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4103-2/IMG_4152.JPG

Looking better already!

GTR
06-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Looks neat man. Actually I like that spoiler...anyway you can re-condition it or something?

Sander
06-28-2009, 02:07 PM
As I don't like the spoiler, I'll take it off anyway. A Rallye needs to look clean, no spoilers or anything. I don't like the sunroof either, but that's a bit harder to remove unfortunately.

Killua
06-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Despite the fact that you don't like the spoiler nor the sunroof, I must say that I like both of those details. :P

Sage
06-28-2009, 07:05 PM
Excellent car, Sander. I loved the 205 T16 from Group B rally, and seeing yours makes me think of it. I also agree that it would look better without the spoiler - looking forward to seeing that.

Texhnolith
06-29-2009, 03:17 AM
sweet shit sander. indeed get rid of that terrible spoiler. doesnt fit the car at all ;)

We really should meet up again sometime and this time talk about real cars instead of nfs(cars)

Sander
07-06-2009, 02:03 PM
My Rallye moved today... To it's own garage :D
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4126-2/IMAG0081.jpg

Sander
07-11-2009, 01:28 PM
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Sander
07-12-2009, 01:47 AM
And onboard:
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F.R.
07-12-2009, 02:25 AM
:o Nice videos

Killua
07-25-2009, 10:00 PM
I like the place where you live. I wish I could take such a sporty ride like yours and drive around those nice roads.

Sounds good too! The idle kind of reminds me our old Fiat. :)

Sander
08-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Did a dyno run last weekend to see if the improvements to the suspension made any difference and it actually did quite a bit.

This is the power at the wheels (measured). The power ratings you get from manufacturers is usually at the crankshaft (so they don't take the losses into account). There's 2 sets of results, one from before the suspension was fixed/upgraded and one from this weekend with the car is perfect technical condition:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4191-2/Scan-090801-0002.jpg
The first run with the bad suspension was 95hp at the wheels and 141Nm of torque. Now, with the suspension completely renewed, it went up to 104,5hp at the wheels and almost 147Nm of torque!

This result pleases me. All the engine and suspension mods we did paid off, it has about 15-20% increase in power over it's original spec without changing the concept of the engine. We only raised it from 1.3l to 1.6l and some finetuning, but that's it.

105hp may not sound like much, but in a car that ways about 750kgs, it's not that bad :mrgreen:

This winter I hope to have it resprayed to it's original color, inside and outside, including a full rollcage and offcourse bucketseats with 4-point seatbelts will be fitted as well... But more on that lated this year...

EVO9MR
08-18-2009, 11:59 AM
nice sound, i love it, it was a nice rumble to it :D

Dr.DooM
08-18-2009, 12:04 PM
its pushing like a bit over 125 bhp per metric ton. thats not bad at all.

TheCarTester
08-18-2009, 12:54 PM
fast little thing^^

Sander
08-27-2009, 06:24 AM
Some progress... I removed the picknick table from the back:

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4435-2/205rallye_nospoiler+001.JPG
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4444-2/205rallye_nospoiler+004.JPG

Looks much better now! Tomorrow the car will get it's first track-experience on the Zandvoort circuit. Looking forward to it! Already topped it last sunday on the German autobahn: I got it up to 190kmh on the dials, which was about 180kmh on the GPS. Not too bad considering it has quite a short gearbox :)

Texhnolith
08-27-2009, 07:00 AM
Nice sander, much better without the ironingboard (i like my ironing board tho)
What are the aprox 0-100 times and 200m sprint?
Bet thats pretty nice as you lack topspeed.

We really need to meet up again sometime :P
Ill probably take my car out on Assen sunday 13 sep durring the Japanse Autosport Festival.

Sander
08-29-2009, 03:15 PM
2 onboard movies from yesterdays track session at Zandvoort. Didn't do as many laps as I wanted, as it started to rain after an hour and I didn't want to take any chances on a very slippery track. Also, the tires (normal road tires) heated up too much after 3-4 laps, so they became slippery as well. Had to let them cool in the pits for 5-10 minutes before continuing.

I did however have an excellent time with the car. It performed excellent (except for the tires) and it had a lot of feel to it.

Next trackday on September 19 in Malmedy, which is a very small track near Spa Francorchamps in Belgium. Looking forward to it already :)

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Meastro444
08-31-2009, 09:51 AM
That engine sounds gooood!

Tubaman
08-31-2009, 10:52 AM
Nice Bit of driving there Sander, it seems to hug the road well...

Dark Stealth_Hunter
09-01-2009, 11:20 PM
The car looks awesome, I love those 205 T16 Rallyes. what are your other plans for it?

Sander
09-02-2009, 12:27 AM
Mine is not a T16, I wish :P The T16 is a group B Rally car, a 4wd, turbo'd 300+ bhp, rear-engined beast. Mine is 'just' a fwd, n/a 105hp hot hatch ;)

My plans are to restore the car to it's former glory. No full ground-up restauration, but still properly done. Currently I am working on the interior, when I got the car, it had half a dashboard, 2 bucket seats and seatbelts, nothing more. No carpets, no rear seats, most of the interior trims were removed etc.. I've already put the rear seats and a lot of the interior trim panels back. The idea is to rebuild the interiour as it should be.

Also, this winter I hope I can have the car resprayed (same color as it is now), so that the exterior will look as new as well. As soon as I'm satisfied with both the interior and the exterior, the car will be as good as finished. After that, I'll just enjoy the car and start saving money for my next car. It'll be at least a couple of years before I can afford the car I want, but it'll be worth it. Think RWD, lightweight and good power-to-weight ratio.

EVO9MR
09-02-2009, 12:30 PM
good news good news i can't wait
anyway congrats on ROTM :D

SVP Edition
09-02-2009, 11:28 PM
It sounds great! Liked the track action

DST So Sick
09-07-2009, 07:32 AM
Sweet car dude

Waarom eigenlijk een 205? niet dat ie slecht is ofzo

Sander
09-07-2009, 07:37 AM
This is why:
NyeW-kwDpek

Basicly, a 205 (or a 106) is the best handling and most fun car in it's class. My car currently has about the same power as a GTI, but weighs 50-100kgs less.

Combine that with the amazing sound and character of the Weber carbs and you get an extremely fun combination, which is hard to beat in this price range.

Max Prez
09-07-2009, 07:43 AM
I'm a big fan of French hatches and this one is no exception. Sexy lookin' thing, ain't it?

GTR
09-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Just went on this website that estimates 0-60. You should get to 60 in about 7.15 seconds which is incredible for a 105hp car. Sounds good too.

That being said, you do need more juice outta the engine. I think 200hp should be enough for some real asskicking.

Sander
09-13-2009, 12:08 PM
Haha, 200hp would be nice, but it's not gonna happen. I'd have to do an engine swap and although it's very much possible (you can swap in a 160hp 309 gti or 306gti engine easily and tune it up to 200 or more... I know of one 205 that has over 400hp! That one eats gearboxes for breakfast though), I'm not going to do it because it'll ruin the originality of the vehicle. And I'm not planning on spending a lot of money on the engine anymore, maybe a couple of tweaks to get another 5-10hp, but that it. As soon as the car has been repainted, I'm going to save money for my next project, which will be RWD, lightweight, properly powered and 100% guaranteed fun :D But that'll take me a couple of years to get there, until then I'll be enjoying the 205!

GTR
09-13-2009, 05:23 PM
I will be counting seconds to see this next project.

nissan_370Z
09-13-2009, 07:08 PM
Like the others said, good condition and it looks awesome! those are impressive numbers in that dyno you took. and it does look better without the spoiler. so far good work mate

EDIT:

Congrats on ROTM!

Sander
09-24-2009, 09:31 AM
Who says you can't drift a FWD car :D
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4451-2/IMG_7953.jpg

Alexsfr
09-24-2009, 09:37 AM
wow... Great!!! :D

Texhnolith
09-24-2009, 11:02 AM
*** dragger!

Sander
09-24-2009, 12:13 PM
But one that is a lot of fun to drive, especially on the short & tight Malmedy track :D

Geordany12
09-26-2009, 01:10 PM
i think.. this is better :)
http://www.lucasoil.co.uk/images/racers/11.jpg

Dr.DooM
09-27-2009, 05:44 AM
yeah but that probably costs 10 times what the pug costs...

Sander
09-27-2009, 01:30 PM
Indeed, I can think of hundreds (if not thousands) of cars that are better than my Peugeot. Almost all of them are much more expensive though :)

In this price range, it's one of the best handling cars and definately one of the best sounding cars due to it's Weber carbs.

Anyway, the picture above was taken on a trackday on a small track in Belgium. It was like one big playground for cars. It is extremely suited for moderately powered, short-wheelbased cars. Among the cars where Peugeot's (106 Gti/Rallyes and 205 Rallyes), CitroŽns (AX and Saxo), a Lotus Elise, an Exige, 2 Caterham Super 7's and a BMW 318 (trackprepared). Everyone had a lot of fun including me. In fact, I never had that much fun in a car before.

That got me thinking: I originally planned on respraying the Rallye (original color) and restoring the car to it's original state (optically, not technically). However, that would mean I would have to stop doing trackdays... And that's something I don't want to loose, not yet... So, I decided to postpone the respray. Not sure for how long, but the car will stay as it is optically. I will put in 2 bucket seats and 4-point seatbelts and probably fit semi-slick (roadlegal) tires... That way I can enjoy the car on track without having to fear for my paint...

A couple of onboard video's from the trackday:
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3ni_2nr
09-27-2009, 02:17 PM
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4451-2/IMG_7953.jpg

i likes, lolz

EDIT: i vote this to be new ROTM pic.:D

Killua
09-27-2009, 03:58 PM
Those trackdays must have been a lot of fun! You're a very good driver by the way, taking the corner's apex, letting faster cars pass you... :)

I got a question, was that a rock that hit you at 4:46 in the first video? If so, then I understand why you don't want to respray your Peugeot too soon. :P

Sander
09-27-2009, 11:38 PM
Yeah, it was a small rock I hit. That's the problem with tracks, there's always debris on it that can damage your paint.

dvbmemphis
10-11-2009, 02:16 PM
Hey, i've been reading about your project. Glad to see one more rallye on the roads.
You were right, the rallye model was only sold on a small group of countries. Fortunately Portugal was one of them.
We have a site dedicated to the Peugeot 205. www.peugeot205portugal.pt.vu (http://www.peugeot205portugal.pt.vu)
Everyone in this community, interested on this Peugeot model, please feel free to visit it.
:)

nissan_370Z
10-11-2009, 02:35 PM
nice track runs. your car sounds great!

Sander
10-12-2009, 01:19 AM
Thanks :) The sound of the carbs was one of the first reasons I fell in love with this car :)

dvbmemphis: I'll definately have a look at that site as soon as I have a little bit of spare time!

Killua
10-12-2009, 03:14 PM
Sander, I'm a bit curious about something. Does your car have some sort of rev limiter?

I'm asking because your 205 is carbureted, and I guess having a fuel cut system would not be as easy as in an injected engine.

Sander
10-12-2009, 11:52 PM
There is a rev limiter (around 7000rpm I think). I have hit it a couple of times at the Zandvoort track, that's when I first discovered there is one. No idea how it works with carbs though...

Revving all the way up to 7000rpm is no use in my car anyway. After 6000-6500rpm, most of the power is gone anyway, so better to shift up. Especially as the car has a very short gearbox.

Sander
11-01-2009, 11:04 AM
A couple of new additions that will be installed soon:

QSP Drift1 seat (only one for now, a second one will follow next month) and LTEC 6-point harnasses (3" wide):
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4493-5/Stoel+en+stuur+001.JPG

LTEC steering wheel:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4496-1/Stoel+en+stuur+002.JPG

Snap-off system on the steering wheel adds a couple of centimeters :P
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4499-5/Stoel+en+stuur+003.JPG

Texhnolith
11-01-2009, 12:50 PM
Nice seat Sander. Was thinking of the same one myself until I ran across those cheap *** Brides I now have.

I only got 2" wide harnasses. Got em from my GF. would have prefered a 3" but i guess this will be enough for now. :)

Where did you get the wheel? Looks good

Sander
11-01-2009, 12:52 PM
The wheel is from http://www.trackdayparts.nl/, although it's not new. It was used by the owner of Trackdayparts on his 205 Rallye, but he only drove 600km with it and now sold his 205 in parts. The seat and seatbelts also came from his car.

nissan_370Z
11-01-2009, 01:19 PM
great additions for your car. Can't wait to see it in your car!

Sander
01-17-2010, 04:17 AM
Oh no, someone put some steel bars in my car! :D

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4608-2/205+Rolkooi+001.JPG

Dr.DooM
01-17-2010, 05:26 AM
now that is what i am talking about.... i bet that car is hellish fun to drive.

Kracka
01-17-2010, 09:33 AM
Unless its just the pictures that are deceiving, you might want to change the angle of where you have the harnesses mounted to.

That angle looks way to steep to be safe if something were to happen. But either way the cage looks nice

Sander
01-17-2010, 09:38 AM
The angle is well within FIA recommendations (even though the cage itself isn't FIA spec), so no problem there. The company that built this cage, also builds cages for professional rally- and trackcars, so they know what they're doing.

Here's another pic from the side:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4627-2/205+Rolkooi+007.JPG

Kracka
01-17-2010, 09:46 AM
The angle is well within FIA recommendations (even though the cage itself isn't FIA spec), so no problem there. The company that built this cage, also builds cages for professional rally- and trackcars, so they know what they're doing.

Here's another pic from the side:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4627-2/205+Rolkooi+007.JPG

Gotcha! Wasn't doubting, just looked a little weird from that rear pic ;)

rafel
01-17-2010, 10:41 AM
Very very nice Sander.

nissan_370Z
01-17-2010, 11:50 AM
looks good Sander.

Texhnolith
01-25-2010, 03:08 AM
Very nice sander. and a weld in cage too :) nice.
Its really becoming a proper track car isnt it :)

Where do you live no a days? We realy should meet up again and have some car fun ;)
Im living in Uden now :)

Sander
01-25-2010, 04:18 AM
Still in Ossendrecht :P

Let's meet up in the spring or so, when it's not so cold outside. My Rallye doesn't even get up to proper temperature unless I switch of the heater in the current conditions :( And next sunday there's a meeting at De Meern where I'm going, I'll better wear gloves and a thick sweater... :P

Texhnolith
01-25-2010, 05:00 AM
hehe alright. still got to fix my car anyways :P

atleast your car is lightweight;) cold.. but lightweight.

Sander
02-22-2010, 02:22 AM
We did another dyno run this weekend, the results are as expected. The only change since last year engine-wise is an exhaust that is much quieter because of restrictions during trackdays.

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4651-2/205rallye_dyno_20-02-2010.jpg (http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/4649-1/205rallye_dyno_20-02-2010.jpg)

So 102,5hp and 150Nm of torque, measured at the wheels.

My trackday calender for this year is taking shape:
- March 27th: Enspijk track (NL), small track normally used for drivertraining (formerly owned by the Dutch police), entire day
- April 30th: Zolder (Belgium), Peugeot meets Porsche trackday including driver training, entire day
- August 27th: Zandvoort (NL), 2 hours with the Peugeot Gti Club
- September 18th: Malmedy (Belgium, close to Spa Francorchamps), similar track as Enspijk

Somewhere in between I will be taking the car to the Nordschleife as well for a couple of laps... And maybe I'll do a hillclimb in the UK, we're there anyway to visit the UK Pugfest event with a couple of Dutch Rallyes in July...

Busy year ahead, but it's gonna be fun :)

nissan_370Z
02-22-2010, 04:37 PM
Nice HP rating epically with your car.

are you planning to add anything to it this year?

Sander
02-23-2010, 01:16 AM
The plans for this year are limited, the car already costed me a small fortune to get to this stage :P

Short term plans:
- Performance brake pads (Ferodo, Carbone Lorraine)
- Proper tires (Hankook Ventus S1 probably)

There are no longer term plans at this moment. I want to start saving money for successor to the Rallye in a couple of years, in the form of an Elise or something.

Sander
05-10-2010, 05:40 AM
Been a few months since last update. Since then the previously mentioned upgrades have been done (Ferodo DS2500 brake pads and Hankook Ventus S1 tires). Did quite a lot of miles with it the last 2 months, to all kinds of events (meetings, roadtrips, a trackday at Zolder (Belgium)) and it's performing well. Had 2 problems though: the front drive axles were worn out and had to be replaced and at the trackday the v-belt snapped at Zolder but I had a spare with me, so no problem really.

Few pics from Zolder:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5028-2/_MG_1535.jpg
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5031-2/_MG_1711.jpg
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5024-2/_MG_1425.jpg

Next month the car will need to get a new MOT and a new windshield, as the current one has a crack in it. Other than that, there are no upgrade plans. I am however going to paint the inside of the Rallye, but that's just because it needs to be done... The inside bottom has some rust on it and the rollcage needs protection against rust.

In July I'll be taking the Rallye to the UK for a couple of days with some friends (also in Peugeot 205 or 106 Rallyes) to attend the Pugfest event, which is organised by the Peugeot Sport Official Owners Club.

Late August the I'll take it to the Zandvoort (NL) track again and 3 weeks later to a small track in Belgium (Malmedy, close to Spa-Francorchamps)... Looking forward to that!

Texhnolith
05-10-2010, 06:04 AM
nice shit sander :)

Got some more info on those trackday events?
Mine needs to get some track time again.

Sander
05-10-2010, 06:08 AM
They're all organised through the Peugeot clubs. At Zolder it was a Peugeot vs. Porsche trackday, at Zandvoort it's Peugeot Gti only and at Malmedy it's AXClub & Rallye.NL...

You could take a look at Driving-Fun, they do organise trackdays on a regular basis. So does the BMW Drivers Club, who invite other clubs as well.

F.R.
05-10-2010, 06:15 AM
wow that's nice :). Nice pictures too. Do you have a high resolution of that 2nd picture?

Allure
05-10-2010, 06:29 AM
Nice car, man. :)

Loving that cage.

Sander
05-10-2010, 06:41 AM
Thanks :)

F.R.: http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5029-1/_MG_1711.jpg - reso high enough? ;)

Dr.DooM
05-10-2010, 08:35 AM
Somewhere in between I will be taking the car to the Nordschleife as well for a couple of laps... And maybe I'll do a hillclimb in the UK, we're there anyway to visit the UK Pugfest event with a couple of Dutch Rallyes in July...

Sweet man, i might goin to that with my mate!

Texhnolith
05-10-2010, 08:36 AM
Ah i see ;) ill keep an eye open for trackdays.

And damn i only just noticed how sweet your front wheel fitment is :) Awesome job there.
Slight spacer on the rear would make it perfect.

Sander
05-10-2010, 09:05 AM
I actually had problems with the front wheel fitting. The current rims have a low ET value (lower than stock), meaning they come out more. With the new tires (which are the correct size, the previous tires were smaller), in corners the tires hit the plastic wheel arches... So we had to modify the arches to prevent it. It still happens a little bit, but acceptable.

There is also a good reason why the rear is not as wide: when cornering (especially noticable on track) you can stick your front wheels tightly into a corner without having to worry about the rear wheels cutting the corner too much... So I'll leave it be. I'm not a big fan of spacers myself, the only other option would be to fit a 309 gti16 rear axle. It's a simple fit, but that specific 309 rear axle is pretty rare.

But yeah, the front wheels looks extremely good now :P

F.R.
05-10-2010, 09:14 AM
Thank you sir. I'll use it as my wallpaper. :D

EVO9MR
05-10-2010, 04:13 PM
same as F.R. I'm using it as my desktop too

Sander
06-16-2010, 01:29 PM
So, the Rallye had a proper wash by a professional :glasses2:

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5458-2/Rallye+gepoetst+001+_Custom_.JPG

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5473-2/Rallye+gepoetst+006+_Custom_.JPG

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5479-2/Rallye+gepoetst+008+_Custom_.JPG

http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5470-2/Rallye+gepoetst+005+_Custom_.JPG
More pics at http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/v/mycars/205rallye/ (the last 10) :glasses2:

View171
06-16-2010, 01:50 PM
looks pretty neat...
i love it

Bl0cks
06-16-2010, 02:37 PM
Paint is still looking good :D

TwinTurboGTR
06-16-2010, 03:30 PM
Is it me Sander, or are you missing a lug?
Oh wait, nvm. I see it's a lock nut.
Did anyone ever tell you that you have a nice Peugeot? :P

stuntman
06-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Is it me Sander, or are you missing a lug?
Oh wait, nvm. I see it's a lock nut.
Did anyone ever tell you that you have a nice Peugeot? :P

yea lol, should get that fixed. it has a nice shine to it

nice car btw.

DJMantis
06-16-2010, 09:32 PM
PEUGEOT TALBOT SPORTS

hehe I like that sticker.

Sander
09-25-2010, 08:55 AM
Hmm, it appears my Rallye is male, as it's lifting it's right rear wheel :P
http://www.rallye.nl/gallery/var/resizes/2010/%5B18-09-2010%5D-Trackday-Malmedy/Foto%27s-Leon/DSC_1719%20%28Custom%29.JPG?m=1284995578

Some more pics from the last trackday:
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5656-2/IMG_3358.jpg
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5659-2/IMG_3381.jpg
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5662-2/IMG_3408.jpg
http://gallery.sanderprinsen.com/d/5665-2/IMG_3394.jpg

2-Edge
09-25-2010, 01:28 PM
Nice car from the time when French cars still were awesome. :)

EVO9MR
09-25-2010, 04:30 PM
the car's still tearing up the tracks i see :D
do you have a high res of the 3rd picture (1680-1050?) its screaming to be on my desktop