View Full Version : "RS project" 1991 Camaro RS


Mr. Sting Ray
03-21-2009, 10:27 AM
Picked this up middle of last week. Everything on it is good except minor headliner sag, and the paint is kinda rough. But, that will be fixed.

Drive train is the L03 305 TBI V8, 700R4 trans with B&M shift kit and Vette servos

Plans are probably a 350 or 383 thrown in.

Mods include Hooker 2055 headers, catless 3" Y pipe, Hooker Aerochamber muffler, smog crap stripped, Edelbrock open element air cleaner, 2002 Vette Z06 rims. But enough with that, on with the pics and vids.

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I think the title and vin is proof enough.

Bl0cks
03-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Oooo very nice. The Z06 rims look really good, I was thinking chrome when you told me about it.

DodgeBoy
03-21-2009, 11:21 AM
Need proof. I am not believing any new car that you buy after the Vette stunt.

Mr. Sting Ray
03-21-2009, 11:36 AM
The vin and title aren't enough eh? Check the last link posted, compare it to the vin picture.

OptikNERV
03-21-2009, 12:03 PM
That's Garth in the picture. Anymore proof is redundant.

BTW, nice ride man.

hondaman
03-21-2009, 01:20 PM
Need proof. I am not believing any new car that you buy after the Vette stunt.

I'm willing to believe a relatively inexpensive Camaro, for now. Be warned that if you start seriously modifying this car you will be expected to provide proof very quickly for it. We're not having another episode like you pulled with the Corvette.
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DJMantis
03-21-2009, 01:46 PM
That engine sounds hawt :smitten:

And the rims look really good, dude. :)

OptikNERV
03-21-2009, 03:05 PM
Need proof of next shit. I am not believing any new dump that you take after the Vette stunt. Next time, post picture of the log and NFSCars paper and send via MSN.

On a serious note, what color you painting this ride?

Mr. Sting Ray
03-21-2009, 03:06 PM
I'm keeping the color the same, minus the stripes.

Necrology
03-21-2009, 05:23 PM
If the previous owner said the smog was stripped he is a liar.

Catless 3" pipes on this car will actually make it run like, if not complete shit, then, less than optimally. I suspect your idle will bounce, your gas mileage will suffer, and you will have a 0% gain in power.

Other than that it looks like a great catch! Looks like they did a good repaint job on it.

Mr. Sting Ray
03-21-2009, 05:44 PM
More like stock paint under 18 years of abuse. I suspect the previous owner at one point pissed off someone enough to key the shit outta the hood. Least it's a small area.

GTR
03-22-2009, 02:45 AM
That looks sick bro.

t3ku
03-22-2009, 04:56 AM
Msr want me to run a vin check for ya?

Nice camaro, I thought of buying that when I was looking for a car.

MuscleCarFreak
03-22-2009, 01:12 PM
The C5 Corvette Z06 Rims actually dont look bad on the car. Clean up that engine bay alil and add some chrome shit, and you'll have yourself alil bit of a looker...

Mr. Sting Ray
03-22-2009, 02:49 PM
Msr want me to run a vin check for ya?

Nice camaro, I thought of buying that when I was looking for a car.

Yes please.

t3ku
03-22-2009, 05:14 PM
Just pm me your email ^_^

Mr. Sting Ray
03-22-2009, 10:40 PM
Thanks man.

Kracka
03-22-2009, 10:42 PM
I've got:

Leather T-Top Bag
AC Delete HVAC Panel (the controls above the radio)
Hard hatch cover panel w/ matching rear trim (peice that covers the back of the 'trunk' and the hatch motor.
I think I even have the soft vinyl cover that rolls up.

They're for sale if you want any of those items. I also have black tail light covers.

Sage
03-27-2009, 12:26 PM
Looks good. I'm unsure about the Corvette rims though.

Looking forward to seeing more of it.

Mr. Sting Ray
03-28-2009, 02:16 PM
Interior is in pretty good shape.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/VectorWX3/IMG_0423.jpg
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Azrael
04-01-2009, 10:23 PM
1st you need a new serp belt 2nd why a ****ing CB

congrats on getting an f-body even with really high miles lol

you can get dash pads on ebay for around 150 in mint shape
did you check under the seat covers thats where these cars take a beating

also you may want to re route the heater diverter valve to better show off the engine

i thought about Z06 wheels to show off my larger brakes but i can never find the flat finished ones the dark ones dont look good with my color red and i dont care for them in chrome

and hey necro stop talking out your *** "If the previous owner said the smog was stripped he is a liar.

Catless 3" pipes on this car will actually make it run like, if not complete shit, then, less than optimally. I suspect your idle will bounce, your gas mileage will suffer, and you will have a 0% gain in power."

3 inch pipes make these cars run great with a far better idle A Tbi camaro comes with 2 1/4 single exhaust from the factory its one of the most restrictive exhaust ever put on a v8 just replaceing it with the factory 2 1/2 nets you 10 Wheel horsepower.

removeing the smog really only gains 10 hp or at the flywheel but you lose 5lbs of weight off the front of the car and thats always a nice thing.
the gain comes from the fact the engine is no longer turning a "smog" pump "low output compressor" all the time thats only needed for the 1st 5 min of start up replaceing the cats with more modern high flow non Air style .
would gain power aswell and clean the air as yes the o2 dosnt get as hot without the cat /cats
or you can have a non smog prom burned but cats only take 5 flywheel hp at most nowadays so its not worth the effort to not have them.

removeing smog crap dosnt effect much on these cars other then what comes out the tail pipes .
and that smell alone is worth having the cats on there but here in lies the issue with it running correctly it may not run flawlessly with out the cats but the addtion of 2055 headers that have have 2 2 1/4 pipes meeting into there 3inch Y pipe into the single 3inch exhaust its far better then factory log manifolds with 2 1/4 pipes meeting into a 2 1/4 Y and out to the muffler in single 2 1/4 pipe then going out of 2 2 1/2 tail pipes

Dark Stealth_Hunter
04-01-2009, 11:22 PM
good luck with the car man, what r ur plans for it?

Vanexroxics
04-01-2009, 11:58 PM
looks sick, hope it's not another one of the 66 Vette stunt again.

hondaman
04-02-2009, 09:22 AM
I'm going to clean this thread out a bit. I have already stated that his proof is acceptable. Let's stick with commenting on the car.
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Mr. Sting Ray
04-08-2009, 05:30 PM
Update:

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EVO9MR
04-08-2009, 06:19 PM
nice sound and nice buy!

Mr. Sting Ray
04-08-2009, 08:53 PM
Yeah, if I get a chance to this weekend, I might have someone film some outside shots. Stuff like launches and burnouts maybe.

Andrew L
04-08-2009, 11:31 PM
very nice ride you got here my good sir

Necrology
04-09-2009, 12:38 AM
3 inch pipes make these cars run great with a far better idle A Tbi camaro comes with 2 1/4 single exhaust from the factory its one of the most restrictive exhaust ever put on a v8 just replaceing it with the factory 2 1/2 nets you 10 Wheel horsepower.
Yup, it sure does. I would recommend a wider exhaust on any V8 fbody. Headers, a 3" catback and matching Y-Pipe do WONDERS for these cars. You haven't said anything that actually conflicts with my statement, which I stand by. Go ahead, jam your EGR and rip out your cat, see what happens. The added resistance from a catalytic converter (unless its terribly plugged with age) is negligible. The L03 was designed for and programmed for an EGR/Cat system, if you take this out it will boggle the computer and throw the idle way out of whack, in addition to decreased fuel economy (from not recycling unburnt fuel). The day I "stop talking out of [my] ***" is the day you will be smarter than it. I'm still waiting.

removeing smog crap dosnt effect much on these cars other then what comes out the tail pipes .
and that smell alone is worth having the cats
Considering there are ONLY pitfalls when removing the cat, I indeed concur with this statement.

Don't really know why you went on that tangent, but I'll assume you think you were saying something to the contrary. If you look, you'll plainly see the AIR pump sitting dandily on the side there. Even if the previous owner was telling a half-truth and disconnected the smog pump but left it on the engine, then there would be absolutely no gain as the pump would still be leeching power parasitically even if it's not actually pumping anything. If you want to see the gains from removing the smog pump, just rip the ****in thing off the motor and throw it away. One of the dandy things about having a v-belt.

Thanks for your opinions Az, they are a beacon of comedy.
**** you and have a nice day!

Azrael
04-09-2009, 02:54 AM
apparently necro you have never been under a tbi F-body or gone threw the prom bin file .

egr throws a code and some highway fuel mileage loss but does nothing else the factory exhaust is junk and very restrictive hence the 170 rated output.

the Tbi 305 trucks make 180 hp and 270 tq only because the exhaust is better even with a crappier flat tappet cam .

the 305 tbi trucks feel much better then the tbi F-body's but yet both use the same prom bin file but of course you in your infinite knowledge would know that
just as running without cats do nothing other then make the exhaust smell and free up some minor power.

none of these things cause any running issues they always run better .
V-belts are not needed Gm designed the Serpintine setup to run with out smog as you can clearly see in my photos
Next time think before you talk out of your *** about a car you know nothing about as i will school you everytime .

Mr. Sting Ray
04-09-2009, 04:15 PM
Anyway Necro, I'm getting about 200 miles between fill ups.

Necrology
04-09-2009, 05:09 PM
egr throws a code and some highway fuel mileage loss but does nothing else
Um, yeah, I don't know about you, but "fuel mileage loss" sounds like it would fit under 'less than optimally'. So again, you've not countered my claims in anyway other than saying "ur rong lol!"

yet both use the same prom bin file but of course you in your infinite knowledge would know that
The TBI system is actually quite brilliant. It can deal with some major changes and is extremely versatile without any changes to the prom. You can increase the engine size up to like 20% without any changes to the prom. It'll just take it like a champ.

just as running without cats do nothing other then make the exhaust smell
Yes.

and free up some minor power.
No.

Next time think before you talk out of your *** about a car you know nothing about as i will school you everytime .
A hahaha. Very cute. Know nothing about, that's funny. Because I totally haven't swapped in an L03 into a v6 Firebird and not modified it's harness significantly. And I definitely did not run that L03 with open headers while testing, and note the results. I totally haven't pulled a Cat and put EGRless headers on a LB9 and note the results. I also have never seen a 335 stroker run before and after tune with a catless set up.

Az, you should really know better. I shouldn't have to call you a ****tard. Pity.

****tard.

Anyway Necro, I'm getting about 200 miles between fill ups.
That sounds about right, ~17mpg combined, more city? On a dedicated city tank, I got around 8mpg. Dedicated highway I got around 23mpg.

Mr. Sting Ray
04-10-2009, 03:39 PM
Well, I live in the DC Metropolitan area, so a bit of both city and interstate.

theo
04-10-2009, 05:24 PM
Z06 rims=dopeness and a half

-theo

GTR
04-10-2009, 06:14 PM
Z06 rims=dopeness and a half

-theo

true.dat

tanchawr

MuscleCarFreak
04-11-2009, 05:42 AM
and free up some minor power.
No.
Why couldn't it free up power?
If you replace a single cated 2 1/2 inch pipe with dual 3 inch pipe running through a set of mufflers and nothing else there is ALOT less restriction through the exhaust.. End Result is that there is some freed up power.

The only time you would get a loss of power or none at all is if you lost back pressure, but we're talking about a V8 out of a 3rd Gen Camaro... Back Pressure shouldnt even be an issue, unless it was a 4 banger with straight exhaust.

Now I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
It's like the old fashion Straw test... take a regular straw and breath through it.... now take an empty paper towel roll and breath through that... What gave you the most restriction? Did that little straw keep you from breathing easily? sure did.

Necrology
04-11-2009, 07:41 PM
Your "straw test" should be renamed "straw man argument". Because Catalytic Converters are not like straws to paper towel rolls. If this were a 1975 Camaro, then your argument would be valid. By 1991 catalytic converters added a negligible amount of resistance to exhaust gasses. So sure, maybe you'd free up half a horsepower, maybe 2 if your system is really shitty. You'd free up about the same amount of power as you would replacing the air filter.

Unless this particular cat is EXTREMELY plugged up, but even with 165k on the clock it shouldn't be that bad unless it was really not well taken care of at all. You'd have to be running it on fouled plugs for a good long while before that cat will be so bad that it will severely limit power output.

A better test would be breathing in through a paper towel roll, and farting through a straw. I bet you wouldn't notice the difference. Also, people aren't cars.

Mr. Sting Ray
04-14-2009, 11:48 AM
Replaced the starter yesterday. Jesus, it's a pain in the ***. Damn thing is like 20 pounds, even with my friend helping hold it up, it's in a rather awkward position. Getting the wires hooked back up was a pain too.

Azrael
05-15-2009, 11:37 PM
stop crying wait till your putting a trans in then cry about 150 lbs starter is so simple 2 main bolts 1 helper hanger and 2 connecters and really its in a very simple position
just be glad is not a northstar engine with the starter under the intake manifold

Mr. Sting Ray
07-12-2009, 05:40 PM
The Z06 rims are gone now. One of the rims got damaged during an autocross event. So I now have a set of 1986 16 inch Corvette rims. Will have some pics up in a bit.