Lifted Trucks

[Necrology]

Was your mother's legs broken by a truck Linkin? Did a truck kill your son? You're fighting a losing crusade, buddy.

[thor66]

The issue, I believe, is not with the trucks themselves, but with the attitude of some of the drivers. You know, those idiots who think they own the road cuz their godly 'Penis Enlargement-mobile' takes up two lanes.

Keep the trucks and burn some of these imbecilic drivers.

[Necrology]

One could say the same about any vehicle.

Pickup/SUV drivers are aggressive, Prius drivers are snooty, compact drivers are slow, etc etc. Since any vehicle can kill (the issue at hand here), we should ban them all. NO MORE AUTOS.

[Rally Master]

Originally Posted by Necrology

One could say the same about any vehicle.

Pickup/SUV drivers are aggressive, Prius drivers are snooty, compact drivers are slow, etc etc. Since any vehicle can kill (the issue at hand here), we should ban them all. NO MORE AUTOS.

Yah menz. We should all be like the Chinese back in the 1990s when everyone rode bikes and squeezed onto buses before the government started subsidizing car purchases.

[Nuts4Ford]

Originally Posted by theo

Man your insurance must be in the shitter, didn't you crash your previous vehicle too?

-theo

no. I did hit a patch of black ice and spun into the median, but there was no damage.

[theo]

You were mentioned as the quote. I meant t2ku's insurance, not yours.

-theo

[Linkin]

I have no personal event as motivation for my opinion, however in this province there are a huge number of trucks that fit this description and quite frankly I'm tired of hearing "Don't worry, my truck came out without a scratch. Should have seen what I did to his little Nissan though, hahaha."

Bumper laws were created specifically to minimize the damage and the likelihood of injury in the event of a minor accident. In a normal incident a car would roll into the back of another car, the bumpers or impact zones would touch and both drivers would be left with minimal damage and minimal injury. However, if a very tall truck with a simple steel bar as a "bumper" were to roll into the back of a car, the car would sustain significant damage. The impact would be near the top of the trunk/rear quarters or even the rear window. Better hope there's no children sitting in the back seat, especially if you prefer your children to have heads.

Very, very rarely do you lower a car more than 3 inches. How often do you raise an already tall truck less than 3 inches?

t3ku mentioned in the chat that the truck was lifted, but that's not really important. It sparked the discussion again regardless of what happened to him.

[Tubaman]

how about this Linkin?

[theo]

hilarious. whata jokester you are.

-theo

[t3ku]

I would have no problem with lifted trucks, except that people like the guy that hit me, raise their trucks so high off the road that they can not see what is around them or in my case, below them.
My car is 4' 1" off the ground, that means that the driver could not see anything 4' below his car.

I got out lucky, since my airbag didnt deploy, but what if I had a passenger in the car or it had been someone else?

I have never 'liked' those big trucks because they all think they own the road, but I never though they were dangerous till last night.

[Tubaman]

Originally Posted by theo

hilarious. whata jokester you are.

-theo

why thank you (in a sarcastic voice)
But for real though i hate lifted trucks beacuse they are ugly and people that drive them don't look out for others. t3ku you found this out the hard way.

[Bl0cks]

Originally Posted by Necrology

Pickup/SUV drivers are aggressive

I am guilty as charged on this one. Driving a truck is just a different mindset. The height, the steering, the weight, and of course, the power. I found myself tailgating more often and being aggressive on the street than in my car.

My argument on this topic is the fact that cars are not built the same as trucks anymore. Cars having plastic bumpers with a metal bar and foam behind them while a truck has a solid steel bumper. Of course the truck is going to win, lifted or not. Using my Regal as an example, it has solid steel bumpers. If someone were to hit me, or I hit someone, my car would not need the whole bumper to be replaced/painted. I am not saying that automotive styling should go back to the past to steel bumpers, my point is that bumpers on cars and trucks are apples and oranges.

[Nuts4Ford]

but still t3ku how can you sit here and say it was the pickup's fault for being lifted when:
1. we are only getting one side of the story and whats to say you didn't try to blow by the truck on the right as he was merging?
2. you made an "illegal" pass
3. others faulted you for it

[Sinister]

didnt you state in the chat ed, its always the other persons fault.


I see bmw drivers, and honda drivers being aggressive weaving through traffic like parking cones.. they'll likely cause an accident behind them, look back and laugh while continuing on to their next destination.


@bl0cks. - I'd prefer not to have my truck damaged, or my insurance rates go up, or even have a ticket on my license. I must anticipate nearly everything on the road 360degrees just to make it home without a scratch in Alberta.

I've had passengers where I've said, this person will probably end up cutting me off, and sure enough no signal and just merges into my lane just a couple feet from the front of my truck. Watching how people drive coming up behind you, usually is a telltale sign on what they intend to do when they get up to pass.

[Nuts4Ford]

lol yeah I did, "whenever there is an accident, both parties will go to their graves believing it's the other person's fault"

[t3ku]

Originally Posted by Nuts4Ford

but still t3ku how can you sit here and say it was the pickup's fault for being lifted when:
1. we are only getting one side of the story and whats to say you didn't try to blow by the truck on the right as he was merging?
2. you made an "illegal" pass
3. others faulted you for it

I was doing 50 in a 45, I did not blow past him. I was behind and beside him for some time before he eventually decided to merge into my lane. Passing on the right is not illegal in the state of alabama that I know of, or I would have been ticketed dozens of times now.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Heh... yeah, like the time I was driving my Dad's old Ford Sport Trac, had a green light, and was t-boned by an old lady in a 99 Malibu.... The cop knew he couldnt call it my fault, but he wanted to believe the old cvnt. So he called it a no fault. The old ***** started *****ing about the truck being to big (keep in mind it was a stock Ford Explorer Sport Trac)
But completely ignored that she ran a red light. If it was my fault, I would have said it was.

That sucks for the Z, but what can you do? might have been pervented, may not have. Who knows?

But this isnt a reason to start *****ing about an automotive style just because you dont like it.

Besides, sinse my Baja is considered a Pick up according to the title and insurance company, and it's got a Factory Lift, should it be banned too?

What about them Volvos with the adjustable electronic suspension? Ban it too?

[thor66]

Originally Posted by Necrology

One could say the same about any vehicle.

Pickup/SUV drivers are aggressive, Prius drivers are snooty, compact drivers are slow, etc etc. Since any vehicle can kill (the issue at hand here), we should ban them all. NO MORE AUTOS.

Oh, I completely agree, even with the sarcastic part .

The way I see it is, cars are just cars, no matter what type they are. Whether they are supercars, lowered cars, lifted cars...etc., it is merely a tool and it depends on the person driving, whether this tool becomes dangerous. You can say the same thing about guns; should we bans guns cuz ppl are misusing them? Ban stupidity and you'll see a lot of these "accidents" start to disappear.

@ Musclecarfreak: I don't think Volvo's with adjustable suspension could decapitate someone in a head-on collision, and neither can your Baja .

[t3ku]

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

Heh... yeah, like the time I was driving my Dad's old Ford Sport Trac, had a green light, and was t-boned by an old lady in a 99 Malibu.... The cop knew he couldnt call it my fault, but he wanted to believe the old cvnt. So he called it a no fault. The old ***** started *****ing about the truck being to big (keep in mind it was a stock Ford Explorer Sport Trac)
But completely ignored that she ran a red light. If it was my fault, I would have said it was.

That sucks for the Z, but what can you do? might have been pervented, may not have. Who knows?

But this isnt a reason to start *****ing about an automotive style just because you dont like it.

Besides, sinse my Baja is considered a Pick up according to the title and insurance company, and it's got a Factory Lift, should it be banned too?

What about them Volvos with the adjustable electronic suspension? Ban it too?

I have nothing against OEM lifts, Im referring to trucks that have been lifted several inches to feet higher than the vehicles visual clearance.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by t3ku

I have nothing against OEM lifts, Im referring to trucks that have been lifted several inches to feet higher than the vehicles visual clearance.

Right, I understand that, but in most states, it's actually illegal to lift your truck so high, and you cant put oversized tires on your truck thats over two sizes bigger than stock. Some states require you to drop your bumpers when lifting trucks.

Not to mention that most states also require you to have a Modified State Inspection Sticker... To aquire this, the inspection is like 50 times more strick, and they can fail you for the smallest of things, followed by a fee thats not really worth your visit to the Inspection Station, in the first place.

I have to have a Modified Sticker for my damn Nova because of the oversized rear tires.

[t3ku]

I have yet to see any of the above mods you mentioned performed on the trucks around here, nor have I ever seen an inspection station.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by t3ku

I have yet to see any of the above mods you mentioned performed on the trucks around here, nor have I ever seen an inspection station.

well it doesnt mean that Im wrong... Note that I did say "Some and most States." Not "All."

Most of these inspection stations are at Service Garages such as Gas stations with built in garages for servicing vehicles, and Dealerships.
In states that require Inspection Stickers, you'll see signs up at all the places that do Inspections...

These places usually just make sure that every vehicle is insured, and safe to be on the roads with allowable emissions.... this varys from state to state obviously

Some states require you to update your sticker (located on the driver side or mid bottom of the windsheild) once every year or two years.

[nfslover101]

Here is my stand on this subject. I dis-like lifted trucks, I am fine with my small little econo-box Ford Focus. I find it rather pointless to lift a truck, unless you plan to take it on a off road course, which I am pretty sure most lift kits are labeled for off road use only? Anyway, my friend has a stock Chevrolet Silverado full size and I have never been so scared in my life stopping at a stop light, its pretty hard to judge distance when your high up. Also, one of my friends' have a jacked up Ford truck, the police banned it from being able to driven on the roads here. I live in Wisconsin, and there pretty common, but cops are starting to really crack down on it.

MCR: [quote] Right, I understand that, but in most states, it's actually illegal to lift your truck so high, and you cant put oversized tires on your truck thats over two sizes bigger than stock. Some states require you to drop your bumpers when lifting trucks.

Thats what happens here in Wisconsin, also they told my friend that if he wants to drive his truck he has to lower the truck, or the bumpers and he also has to take a heavy machinery drivers test (truck driving school). Lets just say he parked it.

[Sinister]

Wow.. I can't believe I had to read that three times just to understand you so I could clarify my response.

Judging distances in a lifted truck is no different than lying down on the ground.

When you pull up to a light, the general rule of thumb is that you can still see the lowest part of the vehicles rear tires in front of you, which in turn would put a lifted vehicle that much further from that said vehicle ahead.


So a bus with a flat nose front, could stop meer inches away from the rear of a car, a general stock pedestrian car would be close to 2-4 feet and a semi which would stop 6-10 feet, a lifted truck would be roughly the same due to the angle of the view.

If you dont like lifted trucks, simply get out of the way. Just because his vehicle is higher doesnt mean he's the douchebag driver.


and @T3ku - you had admitted to being 5 over the speed limit in the RHL, there could be a good chance that you would lose the case if you tried to fight this in court.

[nfslover101]

Sorry if I confused you, I am pretty tired. Allow me to clarify, I don't hate people that jack up their trucks, I just don't see the purpose of doing it. I can understand if people do it for simple recreation purposes, and if thats the case thats fine, but I have a had a few instances where it has been a problem for me. I can't see when a jacked truck pulls along side me at a stop and go light and I have to turn right on a red, which pretty much leaves me at the mercy of the intersection. Now I know according to (Wisconsin Law) it is ok to stop at the white line, then creep forward to see, but some intersections in my town have sharp corners and it makes it hard to look past the truck. Heck, when I drove my friends stock Silverado I found it really hard to get used. I guess its just me. No hard feelings I hope, I don't want to start a war over something silly.

[Sinister]

Originally Posted by nfslover101

I can't see when a jacked truck pulls along side me at a stop and go light and I have to turn right on a red, which pretty much leaves me at the mercy of the intersection. Now I know according to (Wisconsin Law) it is ok to stop at the white line, then creep forward to see, but some intersections in my town have sharp corners and it makes it hard to look past the truck. Heck, when I drove my friends stock Silverado I found it really hard to get used. I guess its just me. No hard feelings I hope, I don't want to start a war over something silly.

at a traffic light, there are times where no one can see past any vehicle in the left lane when making a RHturn. - Hell in some intersections there are even trees on the far left corner of the intersection that hinder visibility of an intersection. Just another obstacle. I've had cube vans, other trucks, trailers, etc block my view of the LH Oncoming, if I can't see i creep up, or wait until the light changes. Lifted Trucks in that lane are no different than any other motor vehicle in that situation.




Part II-

I had finished a discussion with an EPS officer of Alberta, and apparently there are no height restrictions on lifted vehicles here in Alberta.. The bumper laws only apply to passenger cars seating less than 10 people. As well the tire no matter the size - "you will get hassled if you do not have proper mud flaps on those tires and if the wheels protrude from side of the car without flares..."

Dont like big trucks? Stay out of Alberta then

[Speed911]

There is nothing wrong with lifted vehicles.

[Sage]

I've driven a few (normal) trucks before, such as older F150's and such, and it feels MUCH different than any of my own cars. The truck itself cannot be blamed, because the truck would have never been lifted in the first place if it wasn't for the person using it.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by Linkin from the Sports Car Joke

This thread is over on account of becoming ****ing stupid.

This is basicly the same thing. Because a few people has to make big deals out of shit they cant control, it's carried over into yet another pissing fest.

You know what? I hate Tuners and European Sports Cars.... Maybe I should find one of the thusands of death reports dealing with either types of automobiles, and ***** about how they should be banned, too... Seriously, get over it. People are hurt and killed by literally everything, every ****ing day....

You can say anything you guys want to say, and believe anything you want to hear, but I'm just going out and saying it. Dont waste your brain power on shit you have no control over, and dont make a big deal out of just one thing, because you dislike it. Lifted Trucks aren't exactly the most dangerous things on the road.

[theo]

It's not going to happen anyway. If t3ku was hit by an eighteen-wheeler, you people would want them off the road too. It's like MCF said, "dont waste your brain power on shit you have no control over". Thats exactly what this is.
It's a useless discussion, it's not going to happen.

-theo

[GTR]

Lifting a truck and using it on the ordinary roads is just as stupid and lowering a car and driving it off road.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by GTR

Lifting a truck and using it on the ordinary roads is just as stupid and lowering a car and driving it off road.

It's not a matter of intelligents. It's personal interest.

Why do you want to mod your 4-door Impala?
Why does Speed911 want to mod his Wrangler?
Why do I want to Mod my Nova?

Ask this question to every one of us who wants to or has done any mods on our vehicles, and the answer will be the same. Are we all that stupid?

The question that needs to be asked is what we all do when we're behind the wheel of these said modded cars. Not to mention the experiance to be able to handle such mods.

For all you know, Sinister may be the safest driver on Earth... Maybe in all reality, Linkin cant even handle a VW Bettle.


If the next family to die happens to be killed by a teen in a Gulf, we going to say that the Gulf was to dangerous, and should be illegal? If you say yes.... Then your more stupid than a Lifted Truck on the highway.

[Sinister]

Can't get a truck from a home to offroad without driving it on road GTR.. you expect them to trailer the truck to a spot to offroad it? get real.

[GTR]

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

It's not a matter of intelligents. It's personal interest.

It is a matter of intelligence. Intelligence that is employed by your personal interest, which will define the primary purpose of what you're doing.

Why do you want to mod your 4-door Impala?
Why does Speed911 want to mod his Wrangler?
Why do I want to Mod my Nova?

Ask this question to every one of us who wants to or has done any mods on our vehicles, and the answer will be the same. Are we all that stupid?

It won't be. I want it to be a quick, mean looking pimpmobile. Speed wanted to go offroad. You want to go drag racing. No, we're not all stupid enough to just say "because I wanted to." to escape the obligation of having to answer a simple question.

The question that needs to be asked is what we all do when we're behind the wheel of these said modded cars.

Exactly.

For all you know, Sinister may be the safest driver on Earth... Maybe in all reality, Linkin cant even handle a VW Bettle.

I'm talking about trucks lifted so high that stand taller than buses. Who said anything about Sinister's truck lol...

If the next family to die happens to be killed by a teen in a Gulf, we going to say that the Gulf was to dangerous, and should be illegal? If you say yes.... Then your more stupid than a Lifted Truck on the highway.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Now that being said. You can give up stupidity for security, that's just fine. If the Golf driver does that, he'll be fine. So will be the guy who is using his 3 feet lifted truck as a daily driver, as he won't be rolling over if he takes a turn a little too quickly.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by GTR

It is a matter of intelligence. Intelligence that is employed by your personal interest, which will define the primary purpose of what you're doing.

OK... but does wanting a vehicle that fits your style make you stupid?

It won't be. I want it to be a quick, mean looking pimpmobile. Speed wanted to go offroad. You want to go drag racing. No, we're not all stupid enough to just say "because I wanted to." to escape the obligation of having to answer a simple question.

Yes, alot of times it is "Because I wanted to." Why did Speed turn his Jeep into an offroader that he drives everyday? He wanted to.
Why are you saying your going to turn an average everyday 4-door sedan into a "pimpmobile?" You want to.
Why did I go with a Drag Racing Pro Street designed for straight lines when I drive it like I would my everyday driver when I take it out? I wanted to.
It depends more on the vehicle you ahve at the time. If you would have bought a 4th gen Camaro you would have wanted it to be what it's envisioned to be.
Same reason why I want to make my Baja a project trail blazer. If I would have bought a Legacy GT, I would have wanted to do what Imprezzive did.
So, depending on what kind of vehicle you bought, you would fix it up to the style that best suits it.

What would make you an idiot is if you took, for example, a Jeep Wrangler, and lowered it with a set of 24s.... Then we've got a problem. But if the owner really likes it, thats his business, and NOBODY has the right to tell him what he should and shouldnt have.

I'm talking about trucks lifted so high that stand taller than buses. Who said anything about Sinister's truck lol...

I was using Sin as an example... I know nobody brought up his truck.... and point out to me any street driven insured trucks with tags that sit higher than a bus... I dont recall seeing Bigfoot on a weekly drive to the office on the highway.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Now that being said. You can give up stupidity for security, that's just fine. If the Golf driver does that, he'll be fine. So will be the guy who is using his 3 feet lifted truck as a daily driver, as he won't be rolling over if he takes a turn a little too quickly.

Exactly.... Moral of the story? Stop blaming the vehicles, and blame the idiot who doesnt have a clue how to drive it.... But it is easier to blame what cant defend itself.
We have to much tolerance towards stupid people....

On a side note....

[GTR]

oookay, looks like we a debate here.

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

OK... but does wanting a vehicle that fits your style make you stupid?

Isn't that the logic behind ricing?

Yes it'd make you stupid to do something that comprises something more important in favor of a small improvement.

Yes, alot of times it is "Because I wanted to." Why did Speed turn his Jeep into an offroader that he drives everyday? He wanted to.
Why are you saying your going to turn an average everyday 4-door sedan into a "pimpmobile?" You want to.
Why did I go with a Drag Racing Pro Street designed for straight lines when I drive it like I would my everyday driver when I take it out? I wanted to.
It depends more on the vehicle you ahve at the time. If you would have bought a 4th gen Camaro you would have wanted it to be what it's envisioned to be.
Same reason why I want to make my Baja a project trail blazer. If I would have bought a Legacy GT, I would have wanted to do what Imprezzive did.
So, depending on what kind of vehicle you bought, you would fix it up to the style that best suits it.

What would make you an idiot is if you took, for example, a Jeep Wrangler, and lowered it with a set of 24s.... Then we've got a problem.

Many of our actions have goals. Each goal is an action taken for another goal. Tuning a car consists of actions taken so that the car would reach a specific state, which is the goal. Each and every one of the people you mentioned, including yourself, have set a goal and taken actions accordingly. If Speed had done that to his car he would've defeated the purpose of tuning it, which was going off road.

And of course having some common sense wouldn't hurt, no matter what the situation.

But if the owner really likes it, thats his business, and NOBODY has the right to tell him what he should and shouldnt have.

If anyone is disturbed enough by anything that motivates him for a confrontation, he is free to do so.

I was using Sin as an example... I know nobody brought up his truck.... and point out to me any street driven insured trucks with tags that sit higher than a bus... I dont recall seeing Bigfoot on a weekly drive to the office on the highway.

I was exaggerating dude...I've seen big ones though, really big ones.

Exactly.... Moral of the story? Stop blaming the vehicles, and blame the idiot who doesnt have a clue how to drive it.... But it is easier to blame what cant defend itself.
We have to much tolerance towards stupid people....

Yeah it's like suing Burger King for making you fat.

[Bl0cks]

Don't worry, you won't see as many of them on the road once gas prices go back up.

[Sage]

Actually, sales remained good even with the high prices. Pickup tricks are part of the American life style. As long as we have an auto industry, there will be trucks.

[momaka]

I don't like big trucks either, but then again,

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

Lifted Trucks aren't exactly the most dangerous things on the road.

One thing that actually pisses me off a lot more is people talking on their cell phone or sending text messages while driving. It's like they can't live without talking for 30 minutes. And if you really gotta talk, use the damn speakerphone and leave the cell phone somewhere. It's just a nobrainer.

[Mr. Sting Ray]

I like big trucks. Take my cousin's 85 Suburban for example, 6 inch lift, 40 inch Mickey Thompsons, and a 454 to boot. Driving that thing on or off road is the shit. Anyway, you guys *****ing about lifted trucks is useless.