Which country makes the best cars?

[Max Prez]

Well... IMO, I think it's Germany. I mean , if it wasn't for them, there wouldn't be any cars! They started it all, the first gas-powered car ever was by Daimler Benz. Plus, I don't know anybody who doesn't like Porsche, BMW or Mercedes Benz. I've heard people not liking Ferrari and Lamborghini, Ford especially (I don't like Ford, and so do most of the people I know). German cars have style, luxury, and, best of all, performance.

I mean just look at 'em! Who WOULDN'T wanna own one of these!

[supra guy]

the best: germany. the second best: italy. the third best: japan.

[hondaman]

This thread is just asking for flames...

Honestly, nationality is NOT important. Each country has good and bad cars, the only ones I would want to avoid are Chinese and Russian cars...for obvious reasons.

But as far as people that actually know how to make good cars, (i.e. American, German, Italian, English, French, Japanese) none really stands out, as far as quality is concerned. Each individual company has good and bad sides, just like everyone else.

Oh and yes, Germany did make the first gas powered car, but who made the first car ever? The French.

[Max Prez]

I promise no flaming will happen

LOL avoid Russian and Chinese cars, true Lada is very ugly and weak, but... ya that's it

I guess you're right about all countrys having advantages and disadvantages, I'm just asking your opinion, because most ppl I know think that German cars are the best

[TWIB]

I find japanese cars to be more reliable (ie Toyota) but american cars much more fun to drive......of course, Germany makes great cars too.

[Max Prez]

Well, i think american cars are a little underpowered, ex the mustang has a 4.6L V8 and only pumps out 300 hp, while the tvr cerbera 4.5 has the same engine with almost the same displacement and pumps out like 400 hp, ya no wat i mean? but that might be just me

[MSFT]

Originally Posted by Max Prez

I promise no flaming will happen

You can promise all you want, but never deliver.

As for my answer, Germany.

[MuscleCarFreak]

Can't really say that there are many good companies out there besides what Japan has to Offer.... I hate to say it, but as far as dependability goes, Japan is the way to go.

As Far as other countries.... Alot of em are being bought by American owned businesses like GM. and Ford.... And if GM does to those cars they did with ours, its gonig to be worthless. I dont know about the other companies but I do know that GM knows how to make a great dependable car but wont! There's no business in making cars that last... in a Stupid way, GM is smart.... Why sale a $20,000 car that lasts forever, when you can biuld a $10,000 car, sale it for $20,000 and, little does the customer know it, but alot of those parts under the hood are ment to break.... The GM makes it where the customer cant wrok on it and is forced to take it to a dealership, where in turn, You have to buy GM parts that are a ripoff (with that same Life Expectancy) and thus, GM gets more of your money.

I know this because I worked on a Chevy Dealership that was proud of letting that news go out..... Sadly the Customers keep buying..... I almost feel sorry for em.

[supra guy]

yeah, that sounds like GM to me

[UCN Conversions]

Originally Posted by hondaman

This thread is just asking for flames...

Honestly, nationality is NOT important. Each country has good and bad cars, the only ones I would want to avoid are Chinese and Russian cars...for obvious reasons.

But as far as people that actually know how to make good cars, (i.e. American, German, Italian, English, French, Japanese) none really stands out, as far as quality is concerned. Each individual company has good and bad sides, just like everyone else.

Oh and yes, Germany did make the first gas powered car, but who made the first car ever? The French.

the VERY FIRST car was not germany, nor france...it was Italy. here is a history of the automobile... http://www.ausbcomp.com/~bbott/cars/carhist.htm

and for the subject of who makes the best cars...well, that all depends on personal preference. i think Japan makes the best Sport Compact, USA for everything else, with the exception of the Lotus Elise, which is basically Toyota built...

[Brown Chaos]

Best Economy Cars (for gas Mileage): Japanese (Toyota, Honda)

Best Off Roading Trucks: English (Land Rover), American (Ford, Chevy, GM)

Best Luxury Sedans: German (Benz, Bimmer), American/Japan (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti)

Best Ultra Luxury Sedans: English (Rolls, Bentley), German (Maybach)

Best Sedans: American (Chyrsler, Chevy, Ford, GM, Dodge), Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), Korean (Hyundai, Kia)

Best Pocket Rockets: Japanese (Lancer Evo, WRX)

Best SUV's: American (Dodge, GM, Chevy), Japanese (Honda, Toyota)

Best Luxury SUV: American/Japanese (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti), Germany (Porsche, Benz, BMW)

Best Sports Car: Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), German (Benz, BMW, Porsche), (I'm sure there's more, cant really think of any)

Best Supercars/Exotics: Italy (Lamborghini, Ferrari), German (Porsche), American (Dodge, Chevy, Ford)

It seems that OVERALL, the best is between Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), Japanese/American (Acura, Lexus, Infiniti), German (BMW, Benz), and American (Dodge, Chevy, GM, Ford)...So it really is opinion, I'm sure not all of you will agree with what i've written..and it's probably confusing, hopefully it's not, and i don't get flamed:S

My two cents.

[Yogurt]

Ok, maybe this will offence somebody, but I hope not
Definetly Gremany (MERCEDES BENZ, BMW, PORSCHE VW, AUDI) with their reliable, beautiful , fine cars.
Second place - Japan (Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Subaru) with their extremely reliable, and not so beautiful cars....
Third Place - French (Peugeot, Renault) for their quite reliable, but still beautiful cars.


what about italian cars? trust me, i know a man who drives a couple of cars, Ferrari 360 is among them, the gearbox just breaks down at about 30000 km (oh yeah, It's a Ferrari, you can afford a new gearbox every 30 thousand cant you?) and what good cars do italians make? Maseratti? Alfa? .... lamborghini? Italians just make cars that look good....

You want to hear about american cars? - sure! looks like the american dream is still to have a 500 (or better 618 ) cui engine under the hood to produce 350-400 bhp (patheic BHP/Liter coefficent) American muscle? maybe beautiful , but It is way past it's time, we got much smaller engines producing same bhp as american cars, and at the same time using less gas! and please tell me why are americans developing more cupholders instead of new safety measures? oh...and their automatic trasnmissions s**k!!!
I love how Charger'69, corvette and Mustang look...but the rest is ...eewww

didnt want to offence and all...but this is how I feel about it

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by Yogurt

You want to hear about american cars? - sure! looks like the american dream is still to have a 500 (or better 618 ) cui engine under the hood to produce 350-400 bhp (patheic BHP/Liter coefficent) American muscle? maybe beautiful , but It is way past it's time, we got much smaller engines producing same bhp as american cars, and at the same time using less gas!
didnt want to offence and all...but this is how I feel about it

Before I rant, Im not comparing a muscle car to ALL cars.

I Understand that these cars are old, and out of date.... you cant blame old technology.

The hype about the old Muscle Cars isnt about reliability, nor great handling and HP numbers..... have you ever driven one? Of course not....

And if you show me a 500ci with this HP count I'll give you a cookie followed by a hardy **** ***..... this engine better be stock or in desprite need of a good tune-up.... A stock 454ci LS1 can produce around 425 and 450hp.... not impressive? Theres the catch.... it has about the same if not better pound feet of torque numbers as your trusted imports.... Example..... a stock 300hp engine with a twin turbo and you will not see the same torque numbers you'll see on a stock 300hp Muscle Car. You might get around, say... 250, 260pounds of torque. What Goods that do? Top Speed, and good gas milage....... Most times, our old stock out of date V8s will have a higher torque count than the horse power count.... THAT my friend is why you do not, will not see any I4s, I6s, V6s, V10s, V12s do a Q/T in under 4 seconds at over 300 MPH.... What fun is handling a turn on rails if it accelerates like a Turd.... You say 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and think thats bad.... try 0-60 in under 4 seconds in an old out of date Iron Big Block that weighs more than your Import. And have less Hp.... obviously everyone forgets about torque.
And as far as Top Speed..... Ever heard of a 69 Camaro Called "Big Red"??.... I'll let you look it up.
(EDIT: for those who are so worthless they don't wanna look it up.)
http://www.bigredcamaro.com/newsite/site.htm


Anyways, if your wanting a muscle car for dependability, and gas milage, your in the wrong alley Buddy. We don't take a muscle car because its needed for the family, or for work and back everyday. We dont need a car that can handle likes its on rails. What are you going to do? I'm sorry but, I dont know about where your from, but here in West Virginia its illegel to do 200+mph....
It's about American Heratige, and working on a classic.... a Muscle Car is mean to be constantly worked on.... Their fun to work with, and more fun than any Ride you can Drive....
A muscle car isnt for you lazy people that want their car biult the way they want it by someone else. It's biult to your liking by your on flesh and Blood.

You'll never understand whats so great about a nice Muscle Car til you get behind the wheel of a 500+hp Steel body, and just do nothing but Cruise around just once.... Just the slow drive will be enough to make you want one.

Say what you want about muscle cars.... I cant do a thing to you .....but have you killed with the worst pains......but come on.... get the facts together first.

Ban me if you want.... No sweat off my Back

[Yogurt]

I see where youre going with this - muscle cars are great, if you tweak em and tune em , and polish and .....The thing is not about 60-70 muscle, but about USA still trying to make muscle, when its time is way past....you got something to argue with - SHOW ME ONE MUSCLE CAR IN PRODUCTION!
we are talking about production cars, not tuned up...

but reading your post made me understand one thing... the part about what fun is to take a turn in a car like its on rails....that's differnce between Americans and the rest of the world....you got used to your highways, driving for miles, Oval racing, drag strips.... only thing that matters in theese conditions is the gas pedal...when where I come from (Latvia , that's in europe) good handling is important... cmon, take a Hemi cuda, or something (stock ofcourse) try to beat a 1995 e36 M3 in a street outrun...handling my friend, handling!
btw BMW E36 M3 Inline 6 3.2 liters 321 BHp 0-100kph in 5 sec, top speed 250 kph, beat that with a muscle

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by Yogurt

I see where youre going with this - muscle cars are great, if you tweak em and tune em , and polish and .....The thing is not about 60-70 muscle, but about USA still trying to make muscle, when its time is way past....you got something to argue with - SHOW ME ONE MUSCLE CAR IN PRODUCTION!
we are talking about production cars, not tuned up...

but reading your post made me understand one thing... the part about what fun is to take a turn in a car like its on rails....that's differnce between Americans and the rest of the world....you got used to your highways, driving for miles, Oval racing, drag strips.... only thing that matters in theese conditions is the gas pedal...when where I come from (Latvia , that's in europe) good handling is important... cmon, take a Hemi cuda, or something (stock ofcourse) try to beat a 1995 e36 M3 in a street outrun...handling my friend, handling!
btw BMW E36 M3 Inline 6 3.2 liters 321 BHp 0-100kph in 5 sec, top speed 250 kph, beat that with a muscle

Ok.... For one thing Didn't realise you were talking about the so called Muscle Cars of today.... Yeah.... They need work....

I'll let in on a little hint..... We dont always have highways and race tracks. We have almost the same road conditions you have. and yes, handling is a big step that will only be overcoming with heavy modifications, for these "GREAT AND POWERFUL GODLIKE WONDERS CALLED THE FEARED MUSCLE CAR! do do doo...." give me a break.....

I love how this beloved BMW E36 M3 keeps being brought up..... If a 321 Hp BMW is all we have to offer, theres a problem.... I mean come on.... I know theres alot more different cars to name as an example.... I think those cars are overrated.

I still know one thing? Wheres that 350 - 400hp 500+ci?

[viktording]

1st. Germany (BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Opel, some VWs)
2nd. USA (Cadillac, Hummer, Chevrolet, Ford)
3rd. Italy (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati)
4th Britain (Jaguar, Bentley)
5th. France (Renault, Peugeot, some Citroens)
6th. Sweden (Koenigsegg, some Volvos)
7th. Japan (some Mazdas, some Nissans, new Honda Civic)
8th. Korea (new Hyundai Tiburon)

[Yogurt]

if you want more cars with great HP/Liter coefficeint - here you go
BMW M5, Toyota supra mk4 (2jz-gte and jza80), Nissan Skyline (2.5 liter 280 bhp) Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, Audi S4, Audi RS6...need more examples? i dont think so....modern muscle doesnt stand a chance.....

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

I still know one thing? Wheres that 350 - 400hp 500+ci?

I was talking rithorically

[TheMeandMe]

i didnt know countries made cars?

always thought it were companies that did.

if i had to choose one country that i'd always have to buy cars from in the future i think id pick germany. with the makes based in germany theres pretty much everything covered except for an Australian style UTE and and a US style pickup truck.

otherwise i dont care for the country as long as the cars good.

[asixx]

german cars are the best of course, people even tell here "theres is mercedes and there is other cars" lol. but of course they got their price. the best bang for the buck are the japanese cars imo, still they dont got the class and style of the german cars (which makes u pay extra ). american cars for the american market are a product of a certain marketing strategy so thats why they dont appeal to drivers of most other countries still the european ford cars are pretty close to other manufacturers on the europen market. i think ppl yellin about american cars havin some low hp for their displacemnet dont really know what the term low-end torque means.. and i will not try to make them any smarter.
i heard some ppl sayin russian cars sucks. well, i tell u one thing.. anyone who drove a lada niva knows thats its just like a AK47: cheap, simple made and reliable as hell. its a real off-roader and can smoke any SUV of twice its price on tough terrain.
well, to sum it up german cars are the best cars on this planet by my subjective choice still that doesnt make other countrys cars a bad choice.

[Max Prez]

Yes German cars are the best IMO, but I also like the British, since TVR and Aston Martin are made in Britain

BTW ppl, plz no flaming, I promised the thread wouldn't go out of hand, just post your opinion about wat country makes the best cars

[FeLiX]

Originally Posted by Max Prez

I promise no flaming will happen

LOL avoid Russian and Chinese cars, true Lada is very ugly and weak, but... ya that's it

I guess you're right about all countrys having advantages and disadvantages, I'm just asking your opinion, because most ppl I know think that German cars are the best

russia... lada, fiat, mosqvich, and your presious pegiout are made by russia!11 and can you belive it... all the richest peoplke in russia drive mercadies and cadillacs. others are too poor My choice is russia

[danumba24stunna]

mass appeal (i.e fuel economy, price, dependability) - Japan
overall - Germany. styiling, performance, in-car technology... +1 to TMaM

[Yogurt]

ok, no flamming, got it...

@ Felix TI CE, SVOY CTOLI??? =))) VOT UVIDJAT UGLEPLASTIKOVIJ ZAZIK S DVIGLOM YAMAHA, VOLGU V12 ILI POBEDU PROTOTIP...TOGDA VSE POJMUT RUSSIAN MUSCLE

[DVDidko.FCE]

Originally Posted by Max Prez

I promise no flaming will happen

LOL avoid Russian and Chinese cars, true Lada is very ugly and weak, but... ya that's it

I guess you're right about all countrys having advantages and disadvantages, I'm just asking your opinion, because most ppl I know think that German cars are the best

Umm,I don't agree here.I can't.Not because I like,no correction,love Lada.You say that Lada cars are weak.Well,check this out.This is a Lada 2107 vs a Ferrari 348 with just a turbo compressor.Nothing touched on the head,therefore the compression ratio is the same.Unlike the Ferrari.But if the head of the Lada was rasped I do believe that it would totally kick ass.Oh and just to tell you the engine hasn't been changed much since 1970,and the cubature is rather low.1500cc.This goes to show that Lada's goal wasn't top speed.Neither lots of horsies,which is the same.More hp=higher rpm=higher speed.But the Lada Revolution which even though is only 1600cc is 200 hp.Just to tell you that the Celica,which is a sport car as you know,is 1.7 and is 200 hp aswel.BTW the russian cars are one of the most highly passable vehicles,especially the UAZ.Ask Spirit if you don't believe me.Oh and the engines need absolutely no maintenance.Lada(VAZ),UAZ,GAZ and Moskcich(DAAZ) engines can go up to 200 000(and even more in lots of cases)without any reapirs.But at over 300 000-350 000 you'll probably gonna have to give it a general repair.And do you know why,because the engines are simple.Carbuerator,a few with chains to the camshaft.Umm yeah,you get the picture.And about the design.Well,I do believe that its a matter of taste.Lots of people say that Porsches are cool,so it's natural for you to think so.Simple psychology...And lots people say that Ladas are ugly or maybe you just dont like that kind of style so that's why you think so.When I showed Racer X a few pics of a Trabant he really liked it.And it's close to the Lada design.I also showed him a few Ladas and he liked them too.But that's a different story.So,tastes differ,you know.Have you heard of Anatoliy Lapin?A russian,believe it or not.He was the head designer of Chevrolet and then of Porsche.The 928 and 944 were his designs,I think.But I'm not sure.He's also partially the designer of the Lada 2110,well he only assisted but still helped.What I'm trying to say is that Made in Russia is exactly the opposite of Made in China.Similarity can only be found in the price.Here's a test,buy a Porsche and a Lada.Drive both of them on the same roads using the same fuel and stuff(basicly under the same comditions)and see which one will pass away first.Oh,wait...You can't afford a Porsche and all it's repairs.EXACTLY!

[sparemaster]

Germany and Japan is best in the world to make cars. But the Ladaes we are seeing is old cars in a movie! The whole new Lada is a lill bit fine but little engine. I think them got the technology but the economy is not at the best! Russia is good on engines just check out the T90 tank from russia.

[Linkin]

I love European and Japanese cars. Europe for the quality and looks, Japan for the culture and individuality.

[GM Lover]

USA.


V8 muscle. period.

[Yogurt]

@ DVDidko.FCE
Anatoliy Lapin? the guy who has designed Lada Carlotta?

btw, nice post...I enjoyed reading it!

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by Yogurt

if you want more cars with great HP/Liter coefficeint - here you go
BMW M5, Toyota supra mk4 (2jz-gte and jza80), Nissan Skyline (2.5 liter 280 bhp) Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, Audi S4, Audi RS6...need more examples? i dont think so....modern muscle doesnt stand a chance.....

Thats more like it... I wont argue one bit... North American companies don't focus on handling for some odd reason. If they even look at performance its more of just showing the World that we're not behind technology and can biuld a care that CAN compete. The Dodge Viper SRT-10.... The reason for is creation was to prove they can make a high performance street machine to match the ones over seas, but have that "muscle car" soul still intact.... The new Corvette C6 with its new 6.0L LS2 engine perducing around 400horses.... Same thing....

Saleen S7 is just about as able as any Import Exotic.... Dare I mention the Ford GT.... Can't argue about handling there....
And Ford did an impressive job on the new Mustang.... its no super power house, but it can hold its own in its class.... and doesnt handle all that bad for something that focused on the past. The GTO.... lol.... Dont get me wrong, I love the New 400hp GTO with the LS2 6.0L, but its more of a true muscle car than sports car.... Big Engine, heavy body, poor handling... GM's only focus on the new GTO was the same Focus they had back in 66.... If I remember right thats the year.....
Whats sad is.... these cars arent all that bad compared to those in its class.... why buy a quarter of a million dollar car when you can buy a Viper for 80 some grand, and get almost the same performance. But I keep forgetting that thats a good excuss here in the states... an Import is so expensive mainly because of the price of import shipping.... It's probably the same for you guys with the Vipers and such.

Anyways, my huge rant mentioned a few replies back mainly had alot to do with your figures for such a huge displacement, not realizing you werent serious about your comment.... Then I got carried away.

[Max Prez]

@DvDidko, ya I know so little about Lada, its because I saw on Top Gear that the guy who drove a Lada says its the worst car hes ever driven 0-60 in 16 seconds, ouch... but thats just the guy in the TV

@musclecarfreak, the mustang seems to have very good handling, that new suspension system keeps it very stable

[swatpdh]

HP or cornering don't matter if you don't have gas in your tank...
so
1st(today)Japanse
1st(60years ago) any european car
don't know why but i never liked american cars

[CHRIS2K2]

I say Germany but the US make some great cars but a little cheaper on the price tag.

[MrRoboto]

I have a preference for German and Japanese. At one time, the M5 was my dream car. Now I want an Evo IX so much!

[Max Prez]

I always loved cars by TVR, I still like em, but I also like the Honda S2000, so sporty, so noisy, so cool

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Brown Chaos

Best Economy Cars (for gas Mileage): Japanese (Toyota, Honda)

Best Off Roading Trucks: English (Land Rover), American (Ford, Chevy, GM)

Best Luxury Sedans: German (Benz, Bimmer), American/Japan (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti)

Best Ultra Luxury Sedans: English (Rolls, Bentley), German (Maybach)

Best Sedans: American (Chyrsler, Chevy, Ford, GM, Dodge), Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), Korean (Hyundai, Kia)

Best Pocket Rockets: Sweden (Subaru), Japanese (Lancer Evo)

Best SUV's: American (Dodge, GM, Chevy), Japanese (Honda, Toyota)

Best Luxury SUV: American/Japanese (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti), Germany (Porsche, Benz, BMW)

Best Sports Car: Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), German (Benz, BMW, Porsche), (I'm sure there's more, cant really think of any)

Best Supercars/Exotics: Italy (Lamborghini, Ferrari), German (Porsche), American (Dodge, Chevy, Ford)

It seems that OVERALL, the best is between Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), Japanese/American (Acura, Lexus, Infiniti), German (BMW, Benz), and American (Dodge, Chevy, GM, Ford)...So it really is opinion, I'm sure not all of you will agree with what i've written..and it's probably confusing, hopefully it's not, and i don't get flamed:S

My two cents.

Er, I don't know if anybody has pointed this out, but since when are Subaru Swedish?

[MuscleCarFreak]

Originally Posted by Yogurt

btw BMW E36 M3 Inline 6 3.2 liters 321 BHp 0-100kph in 5 sec, top speed 250 kph, beat that with a muscle

Oh BTW:
Stock Mind You
1969 Super Yenko Camaro 427
7.0L 427ci
425 horses
4 speed
0-60 in 3.8 seconds
1/4 time in 11.94
Top Speed : 164

I must say..... For a Stock 69 Muscle Car, these numbers pretty much compare pretty good to your BMW... Not bad for old technology, huh?.... Thats all I needed to show you.... Never said anything about Handling.... lol
Did ya expect me not to find one?

[VQcapricedude]

I tend to agree ont he msot reliable and boring cars coming from Japan, and the best engineered cars come from Europe (Germany/France/Italy/Sweden) but Australians IMO make the best cheap high performance RWD cars, even if the head company is American, we build and design em here so they are ours!

[DVDidko.FCE]

Oh and here are a few stats.Lada Niva sucks?I don't think so...Lada Niva has dominated the Rally sections a few years back too.In 1981:1st in Rally De Argelia and 3rd in Paris Dakar.In 1982:1st in Rally De Argelia and Rally Faraones (Pharao) and 2nd in Paris Dakar.In 1983:2nd in Paris Dakar and 1st,2nd and 3rd position in Rally Faraones (Pharao).I have no further info but maybe in the following years they've acchieved good results too.Look,I'm not saying that Lada's the best.All I'm sayng is that Lada doesn't suck.We've had all kinds of Ladas,except for the 2107 and the Niva.But I've driven a Niva and IMO it handles better than my dad's Pajero.The only minus is that it didn't have hydraulics.Yeah,the Japanese make good cars too.So do the Americans,and yeah,the Germans.But I don't know how many of you know the parts' prices.For example the headlights of a Calibra cost over 200$.No further questions.BTW,thanks Yougurt.BTW I really like the Mustangs and the Chevroletes.Real nice design!Unlike KIA and Daewoo.IMO they kinda suck.But Opel,Fiat,Mercedes and Peugeot are a real different story.Look,are we talking about design or performance here?

[Yogurt]

Originally Posted by MuscleCarFreak

Oh BTW:
Stock Mind You
1969 Super Yenko Camaro 427
7.0L 427ci
425 horses
4 speed
0-60 in 3.8 seconds
1/4 time in 11.94
Top Speed : 164

164 mph? or kph..emmm...since you mention 0-60, then it must be mph....that is about...264 kph...holly sh** , inpressive...manual gearbox?

and also - for you - Audi, BMW, Toyota and Nissan maybe imports, but here, in europe, it's all different, we dont get to see much muscle, we call USA cars - import, only japs and europeans mostly....
BTW. I'll try to find a muscle to cruise around for some 30 mins, to get that feeling....

[Max Prez]

I also think american muscle is cool, at one time, I wanted one so badly. It was the Chevelle SS 454CI, but that was years ago and back then I still liked European cars. But the Chevelle SS is a damn fast muscle car for a '70
In Japan, I don't like the fact that the limit to street legal horsepower is at 300, it's like a Lancer is a supercar in this country, the cars are very weak...